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17-10-2020 12:27
aldra When Odin our German shepherd was a 6 month old pup he met an Old English sheepdog on a beach who rushed at him and was very rough although did no harm to him other than bowling him over A few times before his owner got control

Odin grew into a powerful big boned dog, but would go nowhere near an old English sheepdog for the rest of his13 year life and showed anxiety whenever he caught sight of one

Odin however remained a gentle giant all of his life

17-10-2020 09:45
raynipper I think we might be using human logic here Pat and not fully appreciating animal logic.

Not that I am in any way a pet expert.

17-10-2020 09:32
patp Perfectly normal behaviour for an older bitch to teach an adolescent some manners. He could escape her wroth any time he wanted Those puppies were helpless little babies and it is not normal for a mother to be so aggressive to her puppies. She needed to be able to escape them and she couldn't
17-10-2020 09:16
greygit That made me think of our latest rescued dog Nancy when we first had her. We were walking on a local beach and there was a man walking his very large dog and this dog was very playful so no problem there but it kept bouncing into Nancy, next thing Nancy is all teeth and very aggressive toward the large dog and it backed off and I thought oh no have we ended up with another aggressive dog. Then I realized that although the dog was large it was in fact very young and Nancy was only teaching it some “manners”. We have had Nancy now for three years and she has never shown aggression towards anther dog apart from just that once.
17-10-2020 08:54
patp John Fisher was a brilliant behaviourist. A friend of mine has just re written his classic book "Think Dog". He may well have been consulted on the Dangerous Dogs Act. Not sure he would have labelled any one breed as dangerous though. Those puppies may well grow up to be dangerous given the start in life they have had

Yes, Sandra, they all needed a cuddle. Are you a cat person? They do make good companions and are much easier to keep than dogs. But, of course, they do not guard the house or the motor home

I keep thinking about getting a guarding breed to guard Georgia. I have a lock on the garden gate and am thinking of getting cctv as a deterrent. This reminds me that MPs will debate the Pet Theft Reform Bill in parliament on Monday. If you haven't already done so then please write to you MP to urge him to vote for change to make pet theft a higher priority crime than simple theft of a belonging. The dog thieves are laughing at the law that is in place at the moment.
16-10-2020 21:11
aldra “Well I’d love a cuddle of those pups, the pale ones I adored, the brindle looks to be from another litter, older

I love the feel of a solid big dog, but never again for me.........unless alberts agrees to a rescue when shadow goes, I doubt he will and as it’s him who has to walk a dog

It needs to old and knackered to join this family

16-10-2020 19:13
JanHank John Fisher I believe was involved in creating the dangerous dogs act.

I´m not getting into this any deeper.
16-10-2020 19:01
patp If you are easily distressed then don't watch this but it does have a happy ending!

Look at the dog's eyes - it is classic "whale eye" showing fear. It is cowering in a submissive way. Towards the end, as it approaches one of the people, it shows a lot of lip licking. All signs of fear. Just take a look at those puppies and you will see whale eye, cowering, and lip licking. Even the mother is showing signs of stress because she is going against her mothering instinct which is telling her to move away but she can't because she is trapped.
16-10-2020 18:34
patp Oh, please, spare me from these people who believe that domesticated dogs behave in a "pack" mentality. It has long been disproved. In fact, John Fisher, who wrote the first theory on dominance in dogs, wrote a letter of apology to all the dogs that he subjected to his original theory. Unfortunately the theory was let loose on human minds who love to put human emotions on dogs. The theory that dogs will try to take over the world if we let them is just rubbish.
Barry Eaton followed up with his book "Dominance - Fact or Fiction". I can tell you, because I have read it, that it is not normal behaviour for a domesticated dog to behave like that.
The dogs in the video are in an unnatural situation and are behaving unnaturally. Like the original video they are, in effect, caged. A whole study was done on captive wolves, and their behaviour, which proved that their behaviour is nothing like the behaviour of wolves living a natural life in the wild. The captive wolves fought over resources whereas the free roaming wolves worked cooperatively to hunt and then proceeded to share the proceeds of that hunt. When one bitch hunted another bitch would stay behind to mind the pups. There was no aggression shown to puppies whatsoever. If they got bumptious they were ignored and not included in the games. That is all that is needed, just a feeling of being ostracised, by the mother or the other puppies, to cause a puppy to change its behaviour in future. Aggression is never used unless there is no other option. Both those bitches were trapped in cages and so displayed abnormal behaviour.
16-10-2020 18:30
jiwawa Sorry, believe should be disbelieve.
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