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23-01-2019 17:07
erneboy Sir Arthur Harris didn't make the decision to bomb Dresden the Joint Intelligence Committee suggested targets and Dresden, Chemnitz and Leipzig were added to Bomber Command's target list. Secretary for Air Sir Archibald Sinclair signed off on the inclusion.

Vandalising memorials is a disgrace.
23-01-2019 17:04
rayrecrok
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Tell that to 5 million Jews or 20 million Russians.

Turning the other cheek just dont work and the only thing aggressors understand is more aggression. As Kenny Everett said "Bomb the Bastards".


How can anyone say this or that was just too much in the heat of WW2.? Especially towards the end when we learn of so many atrocities.



Ray.
Of course you are right, sadly. But in the greater scheme of things and history how will the we be judged, I am glad it was our previous generation, my uncle Bob a career soldier from school at 14 until he retired as a Regimental Sergeant Major stationed in the Raj for most of his time in the army, the most soft spoken gentle man you could meet, but!, how many people did he kill while at the Indian uprising and second world war .

ray.
23-01-2019 16:53
raynipper
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He killed my folk we killed theirs, but bomber Harrison took it too far, in the firestorm there was no escape as the up draught sucked folk off their feet and into the firestorm no escape, death by someone hundreds of feet in the air completely removed from what is happening on the ground, same with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, terrible thing war.. But who are we to criticize those times just learn from them. ray.

Tell that to 5 million Jews or 20 million Russians.

Turning the other cheek just dont work and the only thing aggressors understand is more aggression. As Kenny Everett said "Bomb the Bastards".


How can anyone say this or that was just too much in the heat of WW2.? Especially towards the end when we learn of so many atrocities.



Ray.
23-01-2019 13:38
H1-GBV Again, no sympathy with vandalism etc BUT Dresden was simple retaliation: it wasn't designed to help end the war - the Nazis were in retreat and civilian losses were huge.

"Unfortunately, records show that the first intentional “area bombing” of civilians in the Second World War took place at Monchengladbach on 11 May 1940 at Churchill’s orders (the day after he dramatically became prime minister), and four months before the Luftwaffe began its Blitz of British cities."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...ts-people.html

Horrible thing, war, and it is so easy to view "us" as the victors through rose-tinted glasses.

Gordon
23-01-2019 13:34
Spacerunner Who says it was kids who dished up this atrocity.
The vandalism of the RAF memorial was one of four such incidents last night.
I think something more serious is going on. I also think, taking into consideration the siting of these memorials and the proliferation of CCTV coverage that the authorities know who the perpetrators are but for some reason are not making it public.
23-01-2019 13:16
jiwawa
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How come we should feel anything about Dresden when so many of our cites were leveled.?

Ray.
Maybe that's exactly why Ray - our own experience should inform our empathy. Otherwise the tit-for-tat gets totally out of hand.
23-01-2019 12:21
rayrecrok He killed my folk we killed theirs, but bomber Harrison took it too far, in the firestorm there was no escape as the up draught sucked folk off their feet and into the firestorm no escape, death by someone hundreds of feet in the air completely removed from what is happening on the ground, same with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, terrible thing war.. But who are we to criticize those times just learn from them.

ray.
22-01-2019 12:42
raynipper Dresden keeps being brought up as a bomb too far. Why??
What about London and the blitz killing thousands, what about Coventry, Liverpool, Southampton, etc. etc.

How come we should feel anything about Dresden when so many of our cites were leveled.?


After all they did start it.
Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I personally would have put one on Tokyo just to see how their Emperor fared.



Ray.
22-01-2019 11:01
Pudsey_Bear We certainly laid into Dresden

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos...mily=editorial

And for balance

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos...london%20blitz
22-01-2019 10:44
H1-GBV I don't condone vandalism in any shape and feel sorrow for anyone who lost loved ones in Bomber Command (or any other field of conflict where libertarian values were being upheld).

HEAD ABOVE PARAPET TIME: Bomber Command came in for a lot of flak (pun intended) over recent years because of the severity of air raids on civilian targets in Germany. PERHAPS this daubing of paint is some misguided person's response when coming across this sort of information? Bear in mind that it will be the 75th Anniversary of D-Day this year and of the Dresden bombings next year, so there may be greater media attention paid to this aspect of WWII. Not necessarily "mindless" behaviour?

As I said, I don't condone it BUT there may be a reason behind it.

As Aldra writes, the vast majority of young folk wouldn't do this and it is important to keep that in mind.

And history should teach us that "may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" has some meaning, and transporting petty criminals to the far ends of the Earth didn't stop criminal actions.

Gordon
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