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05-03-2018 09:56
nicholsong
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Originally Posted by rayc View Post
Geoff,
Your post of 20.33 today quoted my post from August 2009. I had only had a MH two months then. I have had a fantastic 9 years since then and have made some great friends, most who I met through the MHF rally group.
Ray
Ray

I had not appreciated that that post I quoted dated from 2009. Now I understand.

Geoff
05-03-2018 06:20
Pudsey_Bear Why not have the UW on the vehicle like they still do with the bigger stuff and used to do with smaller vans.
04-03-2018 22:36
rayc
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Originally Posted by nicholsong View Post
Ray

What was one of your first posts? something similar to what I said about prosecutors needing to prove?


Geoff
Geoff,
Your post of 20.33 today quoted my post from August 2009. I had only had a MH two months then. I have had a fantastic 9 years since then and have made some great friends, most who I met through the MHF rally group.
Ray
04-03-2018 22:11
nicholsong
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Originally Posted by rayc View Post
Geoff,
Was it really nearly 9 years ago that I got that first motorhome and joined MHF? It must have been one of my first posts. I am still here so MHF must do something for me but I realise how naive I was in those days. Anyway 4 motor homes later, of various weights and sizes, I have never had the need to prove the ULW of any of them.
Ray
Ray

What was one of your first posts? something similar to what I said about prosecutors needing to prove?

You have had 4 MHs in 9 years? HMRC might be after you as a 'Trader'

Geoff
04-03-2018 20:41
rayc
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Originally Posted by nicholsong View Post
The prosecution have to prove your unladen weight was above 3050kg.

Maybe that is why we do not have many reported cases of convictions.

Just file it in 'Pending further investigation'

Geoff
Geoff,
Was it really nearly 9 years ago that I got that first motorhome and joined MHF? It must have been one of my first posts. I am still here so MHF must do something for me but I realise how naive I was in those days. Anyway 4 motor homes later, of various weights and sizes, I have never had the need to prove the ULW of any of them.
Ray
04-03-2018 20:33
nicholsong
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Originally Posted by rayc View Post
Quote : Philip:
Unladen Weight as Kev says is the van basically empty. It is of little value to a motorhomer, other than to calculate the absolute payload. It is also the figure used to determine whether your maximum speed on a single carriageway is 50 or 60mph, and 60 or 70mph on a dual carriageway. If the unladen weight is over 3050kg, the lower limits apply.

Philip

Philip, If a summons is issued for exceeding the speed limit for a MH with an unladen weight of greater than 3050kg how do you prove the unladen weight is under 3050kg. The unladen weight is not plated and as you say the manufacturers figure is in effect the MIRO. The MIRO must always be greater than the unladen weight ,as it allows 75kg for the driver etc,so I guess you show the court the manufacturers quoted MIRO and argue your case.
Incedentally how would a Fixed Penalty Notice be issued for the offence in the first place? A check of DVLA will only show the "Revenue Weight" which bears no relationship to the MIRO or Unladen weight?

The notice in my Chausson handbook is " Vehicle Body Weight In Running Order +/- 5%" = 3075kg. It then defines Vehicle Body Weight In Running Order as " The weight empty, including the weight of the driver 75kg,plus 90% of the fuel, water and gas.

I would argue therefore that my MH unladen weight must be much less than 3050kg and therefore the higher speed limits apply to it. I hope I never have to explain that to a Police Officer manning a speed trap.

Ray

Ray
The prosecution have to prove your unladen weight was above 3050kg.

Maybe that is why we do not have many reported cases of convictions.

Just file it in 'Pending further investigation'

Geoff
23-08-2009 17:43
JeanLuc
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Originally Posted by rayc
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Philip, If a summons is issued for exceeding the speed limit for a MH with an unladen weight of greater than 3050kg how do you prove the unladen weight is under 3050kg. The unladen weight is not plated and as you say the manufacturers figure is in effect the MIRO. The MIRO must always be greater than the unladen weight ,as it allows 75kg for the driver etc,so I guess you show the court the manufacturers quoted MIRO and argue your case.
Incedentally how would a Fixed Penalty Notice be issued for the offence in the first place? A check of DVLA will only show the "Revenue Weight" which bears no relationship to the MIRO or Unladen weight?

Ray

Ray
I agree Ray, it's not that easy. In my case, the MTPLM is 3800kg and the MIRO for the basic van is "approx. 3,000 kg" (Hymer's words) making the unladen weight less than that. However, given that there are quite a few 'weighty' upgrades to the basic spec, I err on the side of caution and assume the unladen weight may be at or above the magic 3050 kg. So, I try to keep to 50mph. I suspect I am being over-cautious, but it would be a pain to have to prove the point. In any case, I like playing the 'beat the mpg' game.

Philip
23-08-2009 17:18
rayc Quote : Philip:
Unladen Weight as Kev says is the van basically empty. It is of little value to a motorhomer, other than to calculate the absolute payload. It is also the figure used to determine whether your maximum speed on a single carriageway is 50 or 60mph, and 60 or 70mph on a dual carriageway. If the unladen weight is over 3050kg, the lower limits apply.

Philip

Philip, If a summons is issued for exceeding the speed limit for a MH with an unladen weight of greater than 3050kg how do you prove the unladen weight is under 3050kg. The unladen weight is not plated and as you say the manufacturers figure is in effect the MIRO. The MIRO must always be greater than the unladen weight ,as it allows 75kg for the driver etc,so I guess you show the court the manufacturers quoted MIRO and argue your case.
Incedentally how would a Fixed Penalty Notice be issued for the offence in the first place? A check of DVLA will only show the "Revenue Weight" which bears no relationship to the MIRO or Unladen weight?

The notice in my Chausson handbook is " Vehicle Body Weight In Running Order +/- 5%" = 3075kg. It then defines Vehicle Body Weight In Running Order as " The weight empty, including the weight of the driver 75kg,plus 90% of the fuel, water and gas.

I would argue therefore that my MH unladen weight must be much less than 3050kg and therefore the higher speed limits apply to it. I hope I never have to explain that to a Police Officer manning a speed trap.

Ray

Ray
23-08-2009 17:14
Pudsey_Bear I have been in trouble before, I shall be in trouble again most likely, even when I'm right I appear to be wrong, such is the life of a bloke.

Ho Hum


Kev.
23-08-2009 17:10
timotei Sorry Kev!!

Hope I haven't got you in trouble!


Thanks Jean Luc - that makes good sense.

Timotei.
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