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20-05-2015 22:51
Jean-Luc
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Originally Posted by Mrplodd View Post
Jean-Luc

You are assuming that any enforcement officers will not look for any additional plate within the vehicle, or ask for sight of the V5 if you are on the continent. From personal experience a fairly thorough search is made to ascertain that the correct weight plate is being used. (No-one wants to look an idiot when they get to court trust me!) Also don't forget that such information will be held on the Police National Computer (PNC) database in the UK .

There will probably not be any danger if son is driving BUT he will be committing the offence of driving a vehicle of a class that he does not hold a licence for and, as I stated earlier, he CANNOT hold insurance to drive that class of vehicle.

You/he can of course take that chance but you need to be aware that the pair of you could be in line for some hefty fines. In addition any conviction for an insurance offence will have a severe impact on any future premium charged by an insurance company for ANY vehicle.

Your opinion of whether it's safe or otherwise counts for nothing. It's what the law says that will count if/when you get caught.

Your choice.

Andy
See post #48
20-05-2015 18:41
Mrplodd Jean-Luc

You are assuming that any enforcement officers will not look for any additional plate within the vehicle, or ask for sight of the V5 if you are on the continent. From personal experience a fairly thorough search is made to ascertain that the correct weight plate is being used. (No-one wants to look an idiot when they get to court trust me!) Also don't forget that such information will be held on the Police National Computer (PNC) database in the UK .

There will probably not be any danger if son is driving BUT he will be committing the offence of driving a vehicle of a class that he does not hold a licence for and, as I stated earlier, he CANNOT hold insurance to drive that class of vehicle.

You/he can of course take that chance but you need to be aware that the pair of you could be in line for some hefty fines. In addition any conviction for an insurance offence will have a severe impact on any future premium charged by an insurance company for ANY vehicle.

Your opinion of whether it's safe or otherwise counts for nothing. It's what the law says that will count if/when you get caught.

Your choice.

Andy
20-05-2015 16:17
Jean-Luc
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Originally Posted by Mrplodd View Post
Jean-Luc

It's the same scenario with all MH's (or anything else that has been up/down rated) All of the plates must be visible even if it has been superseded.

Your idea works well UNTILL an enforcement officer decides to take it to a weighbridge, if the son is driving (B licence) then you will probably be looking at a hefty fine for being over 3500kg! If then try and use the 3850Kg plate he is in the smelly for having no licence (and as a consequence no insurance as he doesn't have a licence for that class of vehicle) No insurance is a VERY serious offence and the penalties reflect that.

Andy
I agree with all you have said.

However if the son is driving and is checked (a) he may be under the 3,500kg and (b) if he is over and 'owns up' to the 3,500kg plate and gets done for over the 3,500kg it's a lesser offence than having no licence and its consequences.

BTW how would being over the GVW as per plate but not exceeding axle weights be viewed, particularly as there would be no danger element because the vehicle would be operating within the capability of its tyres and suspension.
I'm sure many motorhome are operated in that condition. It's noted on the Michelin website in their bit about the reason for developing the Camper tyre and also in paragraph (2) HERE
19-05-2015 13:04
Mrplodd Jean-Luc

It's the same scenario with all MH's (or anything else that has been up/down rated) All of the plates must be visible even if it has been superseded.

Your idea works well UNTILL an enforcement officer decides to take it to a weighbridge, if the son is driving (B licence) then you will probably be looking at a hefty fine for being over 3500kg! If then try and use the 3850Kg plate he is in the smelly for having no licence (and as a consequence no insurance as he doesn't have a licence for that class of vehicle) No insurance is a VERY serious offence and the penalties reflect that.

Andy
19-05-2015 00:00
Jean-Luc Ah shur, it's tough for you guys

Over here on The Ould Sod our equivelent of the DVLA usually issue our equivelent of your V5 with 1kg in the (f.1) field so there is no official record of the vehicle GVW (well there is, it's 1 kg ).

One can therefore show the appropriate plate, if there is more than one, to any one with an interest in such matters to suite the occasion

One particular example I know of is an Auto Trail with the Merc plate showing 3,500kg on the drivers seat base and the Auto Trail plate showing 3,800kg under the bonnet. If the dad is driving (C1 licence) its the Auto Trail plate, if its the son (B) licence it's the Merc plate.
18-05-2015 20:36
cabby Can I ask why you do not just get on with it by getting SVTech to issue you with a new weight plate and paperwork to go with it and then forward this onto the DVLA together with the existing logbook, oops sorry V5c.Remembering of course to keep photo copies.Why are you delving into a can of worms when it is not needed.
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick.....yet again.

cabby
18-05-2015 20:33
erneboy
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Originally Posted by nicholsong View Post
What is an 'approved source'?

Approved by whom?

SVTech do not state that there is any such requirement.

There is no document which confirms 'unladen weight'

Other posters have said that they have downweighted their vehicles with DVLA/DVSA themselves.

SVTech state that they, not being Registered Keeper' of a vehicle, cannot complete the form for downplating.

As far as I can ascertain, dealers supply information to DVSA for first registration and it is accepted at face value. Certainly for my vehicle it was registerd with the only weight as 'Revenue weight' which was in no way supported by documentary evidence that I possess nor a weight plate.

I think the whole process is a can of worms and that the V5C is an unreliable document with information from unreliable sources, processed by unreliable staff.

Geoff
It seems to be thought that SVTech may be misleading people Ray.

Not my experience with them but there we are. Though to be fair it's hard to see how the new weight wouldn't be viable if the vehicle had previously been plated at the same weight, Alan.
18-05-2015 20:23
rayc
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Originally Posted by nicholsong View Post

I cannot understand what documentary evidence could be produced or required to declare a weight of 3500kg if the weight had been above that before.

Geoff
SVtech say "Downrates on motor-homes are dealt with by the DVLA and are not a matter for VOSA.
After we assess your vehicle setup and check the weights we supply you with a weight variant plate and letter of declaration. The plate is unique to your vehicle and states the new operating weights. The declaration sheet we supply is used to have your logbook and, where required, tax disc changed."

DVLA will not readily accept an owners request to downplate without a letter of declaration from an authority because they want to be assured that the new weight is viable.
18-05-2015 20:09
Mrplodd I await an update with considerable interest. I will put a fair sum of money on "Them" requiring all sorts of documentation.

Andy
18-05-2015 18:17
nicholsong Meanwhile, waiting for a reply from Dft

I researched further on Alan's link to 'Findlaw'

That turned up reference to form VGT10

This is a VOSA form and applies to 'Goods vehicles' so in my opinion is not applicable to Motor Caravans (Despite the fact that those over 3500kg are described as Private Heavy GOODS Vehicles' - how to confuse the tax-paying public in one easy lesson?

Don't worry the 'dog with the bone' will not give up.

It might be the Dft Legal Dept. next, and if no luck, the Treasury Solicitor.

Geoff
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