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A ghost effect

Can you work out how I done this shot?
No Photoshop or darkroom or super imposing.
Camera only.
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Camera, tripod, double exposure??
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I'll put you out of your misery and it will also let you try and experiment with how to do it.


I set an 8 second exposure.
The three girls in the front row then had to get up quickly from the seats and leave the frame.
I counted 4 secs then instructed them to leave ASAP.
The others in the shot I had instructed them to freeze and hold their breath from my countdown until the 8 seconds were up.


Over the course of the 8 seconds as you can see it only got 4 seconds on the front girls so they were only half exposed, compared to the others which were fully exposed over the 8 sec period.


It might take a few shots to make sure the people who are sat still are actually totally still for the 8 secs but you can now try this for yourself.
Don't worry to much about the f-numbers for this kind of shot.
It could be f-22 or f-5.6
Just look to get an exposure of say 8-10 seconds.


This is how all ghost images are made, hence I do not believe in ghosts on film or cameras or video equipment as this is a common thing with long exposures.
You see ghost images on the net or newspapers etc but all you have to do is dress the person in period costume and place them somewhere that looks spooky or scary and voila, an instant image of a 19th century ghost haunting a building or old place.


I will do another one to show you how the ghost effect looks like it walks through walls.
So if you believe in these pseudo TV programs etc then now you can see how easy it is to claim the impossible.
This goes for any digital visual recording equipment.


People who believe in ghosts and claim to have seem them are, as been proven every time to be a type of person with thought and lifestyle types of problems and always highly strung individuals. Anxiety and distress combine to make it more likely that people will see ghosts. People who see ghosts are inclined to magical thinking.


Psychics are a different thing and has been proven to work.
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I'll put you out of your misery and it will also let you try and experiment with how to do it.


I set an 8 second exposure.
The three girls in the front row then had to get up quickly from the seats and leave the frame.
I counted 4 secs then instructed them to leave ASAP.
The others in the shot I had instructed them to freeze and hold their breath from my countdown until the 8 seconds were up.


Over the course of the 8 seconds as you can see it only got 4 seconds on the front girls so they were only half exposed, compared to the others which were fully exposed over the 8 sec period.


It might take a few shots to make sure the people who are sat still are actually totally still for the 8 secs but you can now try this for yourself.
Don't worry to much about the f-numbers for this kind of shot.
It could be f-22 or f-5.6
Just look to get an exposure of say 8-10 seconds.


This is how all ghost images are made, hence I do not believe in ghosts on film or cameras or video equipment as this is a common thing with long exposures.
You see ghost images on the net or newspapers etc but all you have to do is dress the person in period costume and place them somewhere that looks spooky or scary and voila, an instant image of a 19th century ghost haunting a building or old place.


I will do another one to show you how the ghost effect looks like it walks through walls.
So if you believe in these pseudo TV programs etc then now you can see how easy it is to claim the impossible.
This goes for any digital visual recording equipment.


People who believe in ghosts and claim to have seem them are, as been proven every time to be a type of person with thought and lifestyle types of problems and always highly strung individuals. Anxiety and distress combine to make it more likely that people will see ghosts. People who see ghosts are inclined to magical thinking.


Psychics are a different thing and has been proven to work.
I thought that, but discounted it as too obvious yeah right
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Hi Robert,
When you say that the f-number is not that important, I think it is.

It will have to a specific aperture size (f-number) that combined with the 8sec shutter speed, gives you the correct overall exposure. Won't it. A random f stop probably won't work.

Did you mean it wasn't important when it comes to depth of field?

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Hi Robert,
When you say that the f-number is not that important, I think it is.

It will have to a specific aperture size (f-number) that combined with the 8sec shutter speed, gives you the correct overall exposure. Won't it. A random f stop probably won't work.

Did you mean it wasn't important when it comes to depth of field?
I said this so as not to put to much brain thinking into such a shot.
I.E. if you just set the camera to auto on an exposure to allow an 8 sec shot it may go from small f-number to large f-number to get the exposure up to the required time and you will still get the ghost effect to work. It may get blurry towards the back of the shot but for the overall effect this will add or enhance the image in some cases.
Even up at f-32 the shot will still work.


For the more experienced like yourself then yes the f-number would be best at f-8.
Depth of field will be better if thought out before the shot but not essential to still produce a ghost effect.
Most people use a zoom and no-one I know uses fixed prime lenses bar me.
I took this shot with about 5 different settings on the day as the students were only expected to give me a ghost image effect without any help from programs.


I set out in the assignment they only had to show a believable ghost effect and back when I did it cameras were still only up at 6 megapixels. The 8 &10 megapixels came later.
Image shows 2004, Manual, ISO 100, f-8, 8 sec exposure. Canon D300.
Actual lens used I cannot tell you and have no way of remembering.
YES, I USED A CANON, the shame and horror


The actual outcome and look of the image in their assignment was the final marks for them, the actual camera, lens or any camera setting were not relevant to the assignment for the students. Even today it is not relevant to be a master photographer to get a required shot, only a basic understanding of how to point and shoot. Students would use images in so small a final setting you would never see any problems.
Multimedia, technology and design does not require a degree in camera settings and only needs a basic understanding of camera settings.
As a professional photographer, then yes these camera settings matter and in fact form the basis of how well you will survive in the real world.

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I thought that, but discounted it as too obvious yeah right
Normally the obvious is easy to overlook.
Try to see how you manage and see if you can get any type of ghost effect in one of your shots.

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I understand now Robert. You had the camera set in Shutter Priority Automatic mode.

I wonder where my original post went?
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