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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 26-01-2019, 00:53 Thread Starter
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Hymer B584 ad opinions?

Not sure where to best ask this - possibly in the Hymer section?

Just wanted opinions on this Hymer - its value? Problem for me is I'm looking from Australia, so not exactly 'pop around for a look' distance.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233106536608

a 2002 B584 £14,995 from Uber Leisure (opinions on them?)

53,170km, LHD, 2.8 manual, cab air, awning, bike rack, 1 owner, service history (not annual, but based more on km driven). Bar lounge layout (suits me). Pretty good MOT history.

It's the version with the horizontal headlights (not round), looks clean and in good condition inside. Possibly stored outdoors, as it looks a little weathered, but ok for its age. Tyres date from '16/17. 2 Calor gas bottles. No solar, no TV.

I find this model exterior the least desirable - neither old enough to be a classic, or modern enough to be well, modern . The interior is ok, not one of those weird, old fabrics often used. It doesn't have many extras that are desirable (solar, hab air, etc).

That gas bottle system is the more expensive where type you buy swap over bottles isn't it? (not the refillable like Gasit etc). I think it just has an interior gauge to tell you when to change bottles.

Loads more pics here, but annoyingly, you have to register just to see their stock:

http://uberleisure.com/stocklist/stock-detail/364
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post #2 of 42 (permalink) Old 26-01-2019, 01:22 Thread Starter
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Also this one:

https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/s...3erth-vgc.html

£18,000 2000 B584. LHD, 96,000 km's, 2.8 manual, solar with 3 x 100 Ah batteries, 2 x 13kg refillable gas, 1500 watt inverter, awning, bike rack, full cover, leather interior, big fridge, oven, TV. Nothing bad in the MOT history.

The newer model with round headlights (though it's actually older than the one above!). I've emailed the owner and he's hopeless at answering even basic questions, but he did send some more photo's. I prefer the look of this one and it seems in better condition (cosmetically) and has a few handy extras - TV, oven, solar, inverter & batts, Gas system, big fridge (though I don't need that and prefer the other type which gives a more open kitchen area).

Higher mileage, but still not too bad. Not sure about the leather interior - would it be hot and sticky?
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One more for good luck.
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I'm not particularly knowledgeable ref Hymer's, but the first one you list is I believe a "budget version" of that model.

Leather seating is good not so much sticky in heat as initially cold in winter.

Second one does seem a bit better (to me), although I'd say a bit overpriced.
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Just a thought, the second one I think will not be a JTD i.e. not a common rail so basic electronics on the fuel system, some will say good, basically a matter of personal opinion.
The first one being 2002 should be a JTD but no picture of the motor to confirm or otherwise.

Having experienced both I'd say the mechanical injection version (not JTD) will feel to be less powerful although the specs suggest otherwise, that's not to say not adequate if never in a hurry.

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Looking at the Wikipedia page for Ducato it could be one of these three engines (if he's right that it's a 2.8 litre).

2000-2001
2.8 D 8140.63 (87 PS (64 kW; 86 hp) @ 3,800 rpm, 180 N⋅m (130 lb⋅ft) @ 2,000 rpm)
2.8 i.d. TD 8140.43 (122 PS (90 kW; 120 hp) @ 3,600 rpm, 285 N⋅m (210 lb⋅ft) @ 1,800 rpm)
2.8 JTD/HDi 8140.43S (128 PS (94 kW; 126 hp) @ 3,600 rpm, 300 N⋅m (220 lb⋅ft) @ 1,800 rpm)

Hopefully not the first as that is not much power (for a 2.8!). Ah, it's not a turbo one. Almost half the torque too. Although common rail is more economical than direct injection, it's a bit harder to self service (if I want to do that).

I have leather in one of my cars and I can't say I've noticed it being hot or cold (mind you, it has heated seats - lovely). I just thought in a motorhome with the big windows they could be.

I am leaning toward the second just for the better spec and condition, yes if he'll come down in price a bit.
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Good luck but buying at a distance often has problems.
I did buy our last 2000 Hobby 750 at a distance but struck up conversation with the seller who was 400 miles away in UK. It worked well and I felt he was honest about everything I asked and sent more detailed pics when required.
He also delivered to Poole dock and flew back after I dropped him off at Bournemouth airport. We had to trust each other.


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Yes, that's a whole other issue. I either have to get the seller to get an independent inspection, or arrange my own. Or just wait till I get there and buy then taking the chance something I'll like will be available.

Biggest problem so far is I'm finding a lot of sellers are absolutely hopeless. They don't want to give any detail. So many just say, 'ring, come and look'. Even if I were in the UK I'd want all this info before traipsing from one end to the other to look. Particularly if there's one simple thing that rules it out like, for example, it being over the weight you can drive.
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The engine may or may not be a JTD, it depends how long it was built before being sold, If I was a dealer I think I would know that the JTD is the one people are looking for and would state it in the description, I buy and sell the odd van and always make a point of it.

Also looking at the dealer it says:-

"Uber Leisure are specialist motorhome and caravan dealers who have been supplying leisure vehicles to both retail and trade for over 15 years. We are the most followed motorhome & caravan dealer on eBay by a considerable distance!"

So how come they only have such a poor feedback number, and how can they back up the most followed statement.

As for van one, it looks too cheap to me, but might be due to it being LHD.

One thing for sure is you cannot safely buy from long distance, you need to be there to feel and smell a van, and look for the things they did not mention or photograph.
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Kev, bargains don't wait. At times we do have to take a leap of faith. OK we might not triumph every time but you can get a 'feel' of the seller when engaging him in 'conversation'. Especially when your in another country.


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