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Thx so much for this Rayc-- when I multimeter test the leisure battery itself it reads 12.75 volts. When I took the cover off the distribution box as you suggested, the multimeter test of leisure battery through B2 bolts is only 11.37v. What does that mean to you? Again, really grateful for your know-how!
I think that the control unit disconnects if the battery voltage drops below a pre set voltage [the drop dead voltage]. I thought it was 10.8v but with a cheapish multimeter a reading of 11.3v may be near enough.
In any event the question has to be where is the 2v or so from the battery being 'lost'? At the 50A fuse or the terminal connectors?
What I would do is run a wire directly from the battery positive to terminal B2+ and see what happens. It may be prudent to insert a 20A fuse in the wire.

Just a question, are you absolutely sure the battery voltage you are measuring as 12.7v is the leisure battery and not the cab one?

Can you confirm that when on EHU that the voltage from the charger measured at B2+ and B2 - is the same as at the battery terminals i.e. the charger is charging the battery.
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I think that the control unit disconnects if the battery voltage drops below a pre set voltage [the drop dead voltage]. I thought it was 10.8v but with a cheapish multimeter a reading of 11.3v may be near enough.
In any event the question has to be where is the 2v or so from the battery being 'lost'? At the 50A fuse or the terminal connectors?
What I would do is run a wire directly from the battery positive to terminal B2+ and see what happens. It may be prudent to insert a 20A fuse in the wire.

Just a question, are you absolutely sure the battery voltage you are measuring as 12.7v is the leisure battery and not the cab one?

Can you confirm that when on EHU that the voltage from the charger measured at B2+ and B2 - is the same as at the battery terminals i.e. the charger is charging the battery.
Thx again. Oh, wow, this time when doing the checks you suggested I realized what I hadn't thought about before, that I was checking the leisure battery at B2 on distribution box while the motorhome was plugged into EHU. When I check B2 without being plugged in, it is really low, like 3.65v.

You asked me to confirm I was definitely checking leisure rather than engine battery, and I can confirm that (it's a Numax DC25MF back underneath the bed whereas the other is an Exide Excell EB950 under the hood).

You made another suggestion: I haven't yet run a wire directly from leisure battery to distribution box. I could figure that out and get 'er done if that's the key to the secret, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

So it sounds to me like I've got two charged batteries (leisure and automobile) but am getting next to nothing from leisure battery at the distribution box...

Thx again
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So it sounds to me like I've got two charged batteries (leisure and automobile) but am getting next to nothing from leisure battery at the distribution box...

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That is why you should check the 50a fuse that should be somewhere between the battery positive and B2+
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That is why you should check the 50a fuse that should be somewhere between the battery positive and B2+
Thx to everyone who gave us such helpful information. I found and replaced the 50a fuse, but it's still doing the same (registering 12.7 v at the leisure battery, only 3.7 at the B2), so I think we'll give up, have a drink , and see if we can get an auto electrician to look at it next week.

All the info shared with us is much appreciated. See you all out there sometime soon.

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Will you come back n tell us what the solution was please? All good info for future readers.
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Will you come back n tell us what the solution was please? All good info for future readers.
Great idea-- yes, I will come back to post again once I sort it out.
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Great idea-- yes, I will come back to post again once I sort it out.
Before giving up and calling the electrician you could try a couple of things if you wanted to.

Can you confirm that the 50a fuse was definitely in the leisure battery supply and not cab battery?

Can you remove the fuse and test the voltage on the fuse holder contacts, with the meter negative connected to battery negative? What do you read on the contact coming from the battery? What do you read on the contact going to B2+? [with EHU disconnected]

Can you use a test wire from battery positive to B2+? [with EHU disconnected] Does everything spring into life?

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Hi everyone-- thanks again for all the very helpful ideas you shared here-- very much appreciated.

We've finally solved it: someone at some point installed oxygen free wires (like for a car stereo) between the leisure battery and the distribution panel. As these wires do, they'd oxidized and were no longer transmitting the electricity well-- only a bit getting through so the system had isolated the leisure battery from the rest of the system. We cut off the oxidized portion of the wiring and are back up and running as normal.

Thanks everyone!
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Not a thing I have ever heard of before "oxygen free wires" - must see what I can find out about such things ! Thanks for letting us know, in simple terms "naff wiring" may cover it.

Have now read a couple of explanations and of course our dear friend Wikipedia - the general consensus is that it is used in "high end speakers and amplifiers" so that makes sense, however all the articles say that the difference is debatable, if any and unless extremely long wires are used (over 15 metres) any difference in conductivity is negligible.

So, I doubt that I shall bother even considering using it in the noisy environment that a motorhome represents I doubt that my naff hearing would even recognise any possible Improvement in clarity while tootling along the N21 or even the A89 if we were homeward bound.....

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https://customcable.ca/oxygen-free-c...-applications/

Sounds like a liberal dose of snake oil to me...

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Have you checked for an in line fuse near the battery? it will, if it exists, be thicker than the wire and black. Failing that do you have a large box with the charger in it, if you have check the cables in the bottom of the box, we had one made by sargent and it had a burnt out connector.
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