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MOT, visual inspection of pads?

Now I've been generally pleased with the bus garage to looks after my van. But last night I picked it up after a service and MOT and the warning light came on before I got home (35 miles) for the brake pads.

Before I ring monday morning am I right in assuming that they should have been visually inspected as part of the MOT?

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I thought they checked the braking force and that they meet the required standard but did NOT check the actual wear on the pads.
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I don't know if it's compulsory that they look Dick, but on my MoT two weeks ago I was advised that the pads on the back needed replacing soon. I said I do it so he said in that case he wouldn't give me an advisory about it.

I don't suppose he could have given an advisory if it didn't form part of the test.

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I got this off the internet from an MOT testing centre.

''Flexible brake pipes and any other metal brake pipes visible beneath the car are checked*
• Discs and drums (external only) checked for condition and contamination*
• Brake back plates and caliper securing devices are checked for condition and security*
• Condition of the brake pads will be checked if visible*
• The assistant operates the handbrake and the condition of the linkages and/or cables is checked.*
• On some vehicles there will be a brake compensating valve beneath the car which will need to be inspected for fluid leaks*

Brake performance check*

The performance of the front and rear brakes and handbrake are checked for efficiency and balance using specialised equipment.*''
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Likewise, at our horsebox MOT a few weeks ago (7.5 tonne so Gov inspector) he gave an advisory on thin shoes on the back. I've also had advisory notices at our car MOTs about thin disc pads. According to the GOV web site they should check the condition of the braking system, to me that includes pad thickness - direct quote from the website below.

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2.11 Brakes
These will be inspected to check:

their condition, including inappropriate repairs or modifications
their operation and performance (the efficiency test) - the wheels and trims aren’t removed as part of the test
the anti-lock braking system (ABS) and electronic stability control (ESC) (where fitted)
The MILs or dashboard warning lights will also be checked for the ABS, ESC, electronic park brake and brake fluid warning lights.
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Likewise, at our horsebox MOT a few weeks ago (7.5 tonne so Gov inspector) he gave an advisory on thin shoes on the back. I've also had advisory notices at our car MOTs about thin disc pads. According to the GOV web site they should check the condition of the braking system, to me that includes pad thickness - direct quote from the website below.

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2.11 Brakes
These will be inspected to check:

their condition, including inappropriate repairs or modifications
their operation and performance (the efficiency test) - the wheels and trims aren’t removed as part of the test
the anti-lock braking system (ABS) and electronic stability control (ESC) (where fitted)
The MILs or dashboard warning lights will also be checked for the ABS, ESC, electronic park brake and brake fluid warning lights.

I presume Steve that from our quotes the condition of the pads are only checked if visible without removing the wheels, so if the brakes passed the test on the day of the MOT then there was no comeback. Although a day after is poor service from the garage/tester, you would have thought it would be noticed.
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I don't know if it's compulsory that they look Dick, but on my MoT two weeks ago I was advised that the pads on the back needed replacing soon. I said I do it so he said in that case he wouldn't give me an advisory about it.

I don't suppose he could have given an advisory if it didn't form part of the test.


I thought that they were only checked if they were visible without removing the wheels, but if the braking system passed the test then the pads were not checked. But you would think they would go hand in hand, ie, if the pads were really low the vehicle would fail the brake force test.
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I presume Steve that from our quotes the condition of the pads are only checked if visible without removing the wheels, so if the brakes passed the test on the day of the MOT then there was no comeback. Although a day after is poor service from the garage/tester, you would have thought it would be noticed.
Agreed, only checked if visible without removing the wheels but on every car I have had the disc pads are visible. I expressed surprise to the horsebox tester that he could check the rear drum shoes but he said that they was a view hole! He was very keen (still passed our box!) complaining that the test for 7.5 tonne (and larger) lorries had been dummed down - for instance they no longer do an emissions test unless they can see clouds of smoke!

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The warning light came on with my brakes just 10miles after a service/MOT. Turned out to be the sliding contact had been nudged and was not performing correctly. I got underneath, pushed the little pin on each pad and never had a problem since.

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If your brake pads are fitted with wear indicators (many are not), those indicators will operate the warning light well in advance of the pads needing replacement for safety reasons (usually several thousand miles). Brake pad wear indicators tell you that one or more pads are becoming worn, not that the pads are worn out. Also the indicator will be triggered by any single pad, and that pad may not be visible to the MOT inspector unless the wheels are removed, hence the disclaimer about visible parts.
The fact is that the brakes were working satisfactorily at the time the test was carried out - as confirmed by the brake test equipment, that's all the test will guarantee.

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