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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 19-09-2016, 12:53 Thread Starter
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Obtaining a Certificate of Conformity

We've just bought a Dethleffs Summer Edition 08 privately in France, driven it back and are in the process of registering it in the UK.


I've got the pack from GOV.UK with the forms and guide etc and I'm trying to round up the paper work etc required. What I'm missing at the moment is a Certificate of Conformity. The previous owner did not have it (amongst a big folder of lots of paperwork) and although Ford (it's on a Transit base vehicle) could provide a CoC for the pre-conversion vehicle for £84, it wouldn't cover the final version.


Has anyone had experience of getting hold of a CoC from Dethleffs? - I've tried messaging through their website but had no response after over a week. Next step is to phone them, I suppose...

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Not Dethleff's but with Swift when we moved to France, I sent them an e-mail and the CoC came back by return of e-mail and totally foc, whereas Citroen (for the car), charged £100 and took three weeks and three phone calls as well as the e-mail.....

Dethleff's must supply the CoC, no-one else can.

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If a 2008 vehicle then Dethleffs will provide a whole vehicle type approval certificate, which negates the need of separate ones for base, converter and if Alko chassis that as well.

If Dethleffs are anything like the other manufactures I've had to buy then it's likely to cost €130.

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Thanks for all those replies. Much as I thought then. I'll pursue Dethleffs more vigorously - someone else suggested Dethleffs France, as they would have supplied the vehicle, through their dealer.


I'll let you know how it goes. At least I have it booked in for an MOT (on just the VIN) and getting the garage to certify that the conversion to UK vehicle regs (speedo, headlights and fog light) is done - so can get the "vehicle approval" process going.
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Progress!

Well that was uncanny timing! Just heard from Customer Service at Dethleffs Germany. They can supply a CoC for 119 euros and will send it, together with an invoice for me to pay by bank transfer - very trusting, but we're an honest lot...

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Since these must be issued by the authorities in various manufacturers' countries are they not a matter of public record and obtainable by by a 'Freedom of Information Act' request or equivalent?

If not, maybe the original purchasers of new vans should insist on one being provided as part of the deal.

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Secondhand buyers should make it a condition of purchase.

Otherwise it is a bit like buying without a V5C or MOT, if one, or a subsequent owner, needs to re-register or requires it for any other purpose such as modifications.

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That's a bit simplistic Geoff.

I don't think they are issued by "the authorities" but by the manufacturers of the van.

I'm not sure of the actual date the change came in but before a certain date (I think 2003) every vehicle (motorhome) had to have issued a certificate of conformity for the base vehicle, the converter and if fitted the Alko chassis all as separate documents, after the date (whatever it was) the converter, in this case Dethleffs are authorised to issue a whole vehicle conformity certificate.

As to new owners insisting on one being supplied for new or second hand, most of the time and most buyers will not even be aware of the document.

Regarding modifications, probably best to be very cautious here as I'm sure some bright spark legal person could suggest that modifications to your vehicle invalidated your original CoC and demand you apply for a very expensive Single Vehicle Type Approval Certificate.

For me best to go with the flow, don't rock the boat and apply for and get the required documentation and then the registration in the country you are domiciled in.

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Sorry Geoff, but you are incorrect, the CoC can ONLY be issued by the company that carried out the final conversion and bears a large amount of information it now covers the original base vehicle as well as things like the gas system and so on.

IUt is NOT available via a FoI request because the COMPANY produces it and the company is NOT a public body where FoI requests can be made and also they are specific to each vehicle since they bear the VIN number etc.

So as they are not issued by "the authorities" your assumption is incorrect.

An approach to the manufacturer - in this case Dethleff's will normally bring about a rapid resolution, but it does need a direct approach, via a company website may not count as a direct approach. The approach needs to go to the legal department of the company - they will know exactly who is responsible for issuing it and how much it will cost (if anything as I posted earlier).

A telephone call to 00 - 49 - 7562 - 987 881 should take you to the company and they will undoubtedly have someone that speaks English since that is a German phone number for the company.

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An approach to the manufacturer - in this case Dethleff's will normally bring about a rapid resolution, but it does need a direct approach, via a company website may not count as a direct approach. The approach needs to go to the legal department of the company - they will know exactly who is responsible for issuing it and how much it will cost (if anything as I posted earlier).

The response I got today was from Dethleffs Customer Service as a result of my filling in the enquiry form on their webpage last Friday, so I guess that must count as the "direct approach" mentioned. I'll let you know how long it takes to arrive.
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