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Rother Council propose fines for overnight sleeping

http://www.rother.gov.uk/article/129...cial-behaviour

Wild Camping is now looked on as anti-social behaviour by Rother council with a proposed £100 per night fine for overnight sleeping ANYWHERE on a highway or public open space.

On the ITV Meridian news tonight featuring a couple who were homeless apart from their motorhome. They are not causing any trouble and seem a perfectly nice couple who want to live full time in their motorhome in Bexhill.

https://www.bexhillobserver.net/news...ness-1-8326372

Any members who live in the Rother Council area may wish to write to complain.
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bugger!! I live in Rother and that's the 1st time I have seen anything about that consultation paper. If I'd known I could have chipped in, but if you look at the article, the consultation period finished on 12th January so I guess we'll have to see what comes out of it as far as motorhome owners are concerned.

There's not a huge number of wildcamping spots in Rother - Norman's Bay is the one usually quoted - but I know of a number of other quiet spots where a single m/h would be fine overnighting and they are in out of the way spots. You used to be able to overnight on the road up to Galley Hill in Bexhill but that had a "no overnighting" bylaw slapped on it a few years ago.

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bugger!! I live in Rother and that's the 1st time I have seen anything about that consultation paper. If I'd known I could have chipped in, but if you look at the article, the consultation period finished on 12th January so I guess we'll have to see what comes out of it as far as motorhome owners are concerned.

There's not a huge number of wildcamping spots in Rother - Norman's Bay is the one usually quoted - but I know of a number of other quiet spots where a single m/h would be fine overnighting and they are in out of the way spots. You used to be able to overnight on the road up to Galley Hill in Bexhill but that had a "no overnighting" bylaw slapped on it a few years ago.
Simply contact the Council stating that under the Freedom of Information Act you want the details of the alleged complaints and incidents of discharging sewage (when and where). I bet anything you like that they will be unable to supply anything. It is probably someone on the Council or an influential pal of a Councillor who has made an unjustified complaint.
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bugger!! I live in Rother and that's the 1st time I have seen anything about that consultation paper. If I'd known I could have chipped in, but if you look at the article, the consultation period finished on 12th January so I guess we'll have to see what comes out of it as far as motorhome owners are concerned.

There's not a huge number of wildcamping spots in Rother - Norman's Bay is the one usually quoted - but I know of a number of other quiet spots where a single m/h would be fine overnighting and they are in out of the way spots. You used to be able to overnight on the road up to Galley Hill in Bexhill but that had a "no overnighting" bylaw slapped on it a few years ago.
This is what happens with mission creep when powers are given to Councils. When The Protection of Public Places legislation was passed it was to enable the authorities to deal with major problems quickly without waiting for court action. As is the way with these things Councils have used it to create more and more banned activities which in themselves are not against the law.
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So where do this couple (and the occupants of the other 5 vans) dispose of their waste effluent? They aren't motorhomers in the true sense of the word, simply people of no fixed abode and there CAN BE a world of difference and impact on the neighbourhood. Not criticising them personally as I am not in a position to judge from the facts given.
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Discharging sewage etc. might be anti-social but trying to ban the act of 'sleeping' Oh, Please!

We sleep regularly and do notget complaints from our neighbours
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Another NIMBY council by the sound of it.

“The decision to include overnight stays in campervans in the consultation was taken in response to concerns raised by residents about the resultant disturbance and effect on the area, including issues such as discharge of sewage into drains and gullies."

Typical response. I bet there is no evidence. Possibly someone has seen someone discharging grey water down a storm drain and put two and two together to make five or they just dont like seeing motorhomes having a "freebee".

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An interesting proposition, just how do they propose proving "Beyond all reasonable doubt" that anyone is inside sleeping??

I suspect they will try the usual trick of erecting signs with no local order to back them up.

I like the idea of the FOI request for evidence of anti-social behavior from MH'ers.

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Simply contact the Council stating that under the Freedom of Information Act you want the details of the alleged complaints and incidents of discharging sewage (when and where). I bet anything you like that they will be unable to supply anything. It is probably someone on the Council or an influential pal of a Councillor who has made an unjustified complaint.
might well do that.

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might well do that.
I have already done it.

The more the merrier. I have also told them that many of the 250,000 registered Leisure vehicles will stay away on principle, thus affecting the Tourist Trade.

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