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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-06-2019, 16:30 Thread Starter
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Historical Fiat/Peugeot reverse juddering?

Years ago there was a problem with many Fiat Ducatos and Peugeot Boxers juddering when reversing up hill. I believe that the cause was put down to the rather high reverse gear ratio fitted. I know that there were a lot of irate owners at the time. Has this problem been properly solved over the past few years or does it still exist?


I'm looking to get a new van and want an automatic gearbox so am being drawn to the Ducato as I don't think Peugeot offer an automatic box. I just thought I'd get up to date with the saga of the troublesome reverse.


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I have a 2017 Fiat comfortmatic and have no problem with reverse judder.

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i have a 2017 manual gearbox no judder at all

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Thanks for the responses - good to know that it looks like the problem was dealt with.


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I know this is nearly a year old post but just seen it so I thought maybe an update would be beneficial should any one want to buy a used vehicle of this vintage.

I am still running my 2008 3 ltr Rapido now with 46k on the clock. Love the van and am reluctant to part with it for a new one but I will bite the bullet one day. The Rapido side apart from minor niggles has been fine and sorted myself being a hands on chap but the Fiat side has been a problem and a money burner.

I still have to cope with the reverse judder (it is inherent in the design of the engine) but try to avoid reversing up an incline. One either has to reverse at speed or slip the clutch to make it manageable which is not my sort of driving!!!

At 12k I lost the clutch lifting arm (snapped) whilst on a winter trip which cost €900 in Nantes to replace. They noticed the clutch was starting to discolour. It was a weak type of design on the original and could not cope with much slipping. After much discussion on my return between my local Fiat garage and Fiat they changed the clutch (new design and tougher) with a 50% discount so that cost me another £950. I have not had a problem since with that new one.

The fuel pressure filter failed in France and that cost €350 (known problem). However I am still on the original exhaust system so impressed with that after lots of salt laden roads during the winter in the Alps.

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I am led to believe the following.
Exhausts tend to rust from the inside out not the other way round. Petrol engine exhaust gases have acidic content. Once the engine stops the residual gases condensate this acidity onto the walls of the exhaust and slowly eats them away from the inside.
Diesel engines on the other hand do not produce acidic gases so the problem of exhaust failures is much less. Plus of course metallurgy has moved on immensely and rust is no longer the “car killer” that it used to be, it’s the electronics pfailing that does for them these days.

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I have a 07 Relay, and was wondering if they ever did a recall on the gearbox, or if there was a fix available for the judder.
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Hi Kev,

There was some sort of call back in the early days but they did not come looking for you!!!!! Fiat that is.

Don't think they could do much about the gearbox as it would have been a major mod changing all the gear ratio's if I remember correctly. The clutch was the main problem as the original especially in the 3 ltr such as mine was not man enough to stand much slipping in order to overcome the judder. I think it was not quite such a problem on the smaller engines.

I think it just sort of faded from peoples minds and we all coped (and still are).

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