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post #11 of 143 (permalink) Old 15-03-2016, 21:06
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Not yet.

Just above cabby's first post there are two boxes 'In' and 'Out', simply click your preference.




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post #12 of 143 (permalink) Old 15-03-2016, 21:49 Thread Starter
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Well so far, 38 votes, 11 posts, 155 views.

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Well so far, 38 votes, 11 posts, 155 views.
Does that mean there are a 117 don't knows?

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No idea.

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"Here's the entire EU debate in 9 words: Do you want to be a servant of Brussels? "


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That figure also includes all those (myself included) who have looked back several times to see how things are going.....

I have probably popped in 6 or 7 times since the poll started so all those EXCEPT the first will not entitle me to another vote, I exercised that early on and am simply interested in how the voting is progressing.

I tend to look in when, if I refresh Active Topics, this thread is marked as containing unread posts, I then click on the latest post and see what has happened and what words of wisdom have just been added.

I doubt that I am alone in such behaviour so that will probably account for many of those who apparently have viewed, but not expressed an opinion.

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Trouble is after 40 years in the EU it actually isn't as simple as that

It was simple to begin with, it has now morphed into a giant undemocratic political monster with trade merely a by-product
Hence a servile position


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It was simple to begin with, it has now morphed into a giant undemocratic political monster with trade merely a by-product
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Sorry, I do not think the Common Market or EC or EA has EVER been simple.....

before we joined there was considerable disagreement and self-service being operated by member countries - that continues to the present day, only there are now more of them doing that (including the UK).

Originally De Gaulle and his repeated "Non" was because he KNEW the CAP was fundamentally to support inefficient French farmers - and that has not changed, neither has the CAP been reviewed - because France has still vetoed any such discussion.

Spain has taken a similar stance over the CFP - since the Spanish fishing fleet is so much larger than others, and they will not accept any major shifts in how it functions to support Spanish registered boats.

Greece? Enough said.....

The "New" members have joined partially for trade access but more importantly for the subsidies they will receive under various parts of the various treaties - but Cornwall has similarly benefited from such subsidies - although the UK Government s now trying to reclaim them from the bodies in receipt for various trivial reasons - like the organisation did not get the matched funding from the UK Government and therefore should return to the UK Government the money that was received from Europe......

But such ridiculous things can and will only be changed from inside and frankly Cameron was pushed into high speed negotiations which have not addressed the fundamental flaws - that I agree with.

But such flaws will NEVER be tackled from outside - there is no mechanism for such to happen as Norway says repeatedly.

The EC needs massive changes and needs these rapidly - so the diversions of a Brexit vote have hampered, not helped, such changes even being debated......

Stay in, keep talking and keep pointing out the errors and keep blocking changes that take the EU further down the wrong route.

Britain has got Europe out of trouble twice in the last 100 years - this is a different battle but the outcome will be the same, we ALL move forward together.

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This is what the Germans think about us leaving.



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Over the last several years since retirement, I've taken a great deal of interest in politics. It is absolutely astounding how the Eu has grown with everyone joining with their Oliver Twist hands outstretched, year after year I travelled to my place in Spain and remarked 'I've paid for this new road' more and more joined, the final straw was Greece who employed PwC to fiddle their books. Today even a little article that Meps used a 15 million account to taste Belgian beer and visit the xmas markets. I've had enough, it's not going to even attempt a reform, it's merely going to get worse and worse................I want OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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