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post #101 of 143 (permalink) Old 22-03-2016, 14:02
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Yes indeed although ours have mostly been by "home grown" terrorists or by those who we have knowingly allowed into this country.
The point being that the influences upon these people know no boundaries therefore negating or obviating any argument concerning border controls. You can't 'border' the Dark Net or indeed the standard internet with any great success, let alone 'underground' information networks.

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Still only 80 votes, not much of a turn out.Not as if you have to go somewhere in the rain to vote.

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The point being that the influences upon these people know no boundaries therefore negating or obviating any argument concerning border controls. You can't 'border' the Dark Net or indeed the standard internet with any great success, let alone 'underground' information networks.

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Oh, in that case let's get rid of all borders around the world, we obviously don't need them
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Oh, in that case let's get rid of all borders around the world, we obviously don't need them
Do I detect a slight touch of possible sarcasm in that response?

I hope so, since the thought of being in the same border free world as Donald Trump would be REALLY scary IMO.....

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Oh, in that case let's get rid of all borders around the world, we obviously don't need them
Rather a crass reply however my argument still stands against those who use border controls as some kind of anti Europe argument. We will still have border controls in our country whether we are in or (God forbid) out of the EU. We benefit as MH'ers from Schengen in that we can bimble across borders to our hearts content. Without Schengen that becomes harder; more so potentially, if we leave the EU.

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Still only 80 votes, not much of a turn out.Not as if you have to go somewhere in the rain to vote.

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possibly this old joke sums the in / out argument up

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Rather a crass reply however my argument still stands against those who use border controls as some kind of anti Europe argument. We will still have border controls in our country whether we are in or (God forbid) out of the EU. We benefit as MH'ers from Schengen in that we can bimble across borders to our hearts content. Without Schengen that becomes harder; more so potentially, if we leave the EU.

Borders can stop people but not ideas.

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Not crass, just, as Dave spotted, tongue in cheek. Why even bring up the Internet when the current discussion, to which you responded, is about the PHYSICAL security of our borders.

As motorhomers we are not able to just 'bimble' across borders today - Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, and possibly more, have all put border controls in place at their land borders today. Add to that other Schengen countries tightening their borders over the past month or so and it is easy to see that this is just a possible sign of things to come.
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...Why even bring up the Internet when the current discussion, to which you responded, is about the PHYSICAL security of our borders....
The argument was being made regarding borders being a foil to terrorism. My counter argument was that this would not be the panacea as suggested due to the internet which knows no borders hence my bringing it up...

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The argument was being made regarding borders being a foil to terrorism. My counter argument was that this would not be the panacea as suggested due to the internet which knows no borders hence my bringing it up...

Keep up at the back
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nobody said controlling our borders would be a panacea, they just suggested it would help.
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No need to exaggerate.
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