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Plumbing help needed (URGENT)

Woke up at 5am to the sound of dripping water. Turns out the cold water or header tank is overflowing. Water spilling out the top of the tank in the immersion heater cupboard all over the floor and through the ceiling to downstairs. Turned everything off and started scooping water out with a pan. Im guessing either the overflow pipe is blocked or there is something else wrong in there. The overflow pipe has often leaked a bit for years to the outside and into the garden. Good timing huh? having to leave it off at the stopcock now so no running cold water.

I guess all I can do is ring round and see if any plumbers are working.


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It'll be a combination of a faulty ball cock, the cut off operated by a float, like in the cistern of a toilet and a blocked or faulty overflow.

Often there's a shut off valve on the pipe going to the ball cock. See if there is and turn it off there. Also as long as the washer in the ball cock isn'r ferked you may be able to pull the rod the float is attached to upwards and put a stick under it to wedge it up or bang a nail into a rafter and tie it to that. If your tank is covered the cover should come off easily enough, older ones often aren't. I'm guessing yours may not be since you can see that the water is overflowing?
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Sounds like you are right Baz. Either a simple blockage of the overflow or the ball-cock arrangement faulty. And by the sounds of it the ball-cock has been the problem before it's the likely culprit.
If it's anything like the ball-cock or float valve in the toilet cistern it's simple and cheap to change. I keep spares of course.!!! But this also assumes you can get access to the top of the tank.

At the first sign of it overflowing before you should have planned for this moment. The overflow can probably be poked clear with some 'swish' flexible curtain wire. We regularly use it to clean out the shower drains.

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Its incredibly hard to get at. I have noticed in the past if you try and bend the wire the ball cock is on upwards its stops it hissing away and leaking water out the overflow. Yes I should have had it looked at some time ago.

Ill just have to try and get a plumber. Its pointless me looking at it really. I dont have a swish wire whatever the feck that is.


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It's not so popular now but https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Ne...MAAOSwzvlW9Sqc

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Had a good rake round in the cupboard and the tank, cant find anything to turn off.

Im not even sure if this tank feeds the cold or the hot. Hot taps are still working, I turned the stop valve off downstairs which is an instant feed to the cold taps and they went off straight away so this must feed the hot taps.

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Downstairs cold tap in the kitchen should be connected to the incoming main, not supplied from the tank in the roof space. If you want to stop the leak open an upstairs cold tap to reduce the level in the tank. Just run some off to lower the level in the tank.

If you can bend the rod on the ball cock why can't you wedge or tie it up?

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Had a good rake round in the cupboard and the tank, cant find anything to turn off.

Im not even sure if this tank feeds the cold or the hot. Hot taps are still working, I turned the stop valve off downstairs which is an instant feed to the cold taps and they went off straight away so this must feed the hot taps.

Will start ringing plumbers at 8am
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Don´t keep using hot water if it isn´t being replenished, turn orf the leclic like wot I said or you'll drain the tank and burn out the wossaname, that hot thing that heats the water.

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If some foreign body has found it's way into the valve washer, no amount of float adjustment will stop the flow. Sometimes pushing the float right down to allow a good gush can sometimes clear it but rarely.

I think these all in one units that were fitted to 60s homes (and later) were a tight fit to the cupboard and almost need changing entirely to service.
The idea of a header tank has just about been done away with now. Too many problems.!!

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Downstairs cold tap in the kitchen should be connected to the incoming main, not supplied from the tank in the roof space. If you want to stop the leak open an upstairs cold tap to reduce the level in the tank. Just run some off to lower the level in the tank.

If you can bend the rod on the ball cock why can't you wedge or tie it up?

Well whatever I have done there is now no water going into the tank. Cold taps do not work since I turned off the stop cock. Hot taps do but presumably somehow take their feed from this tank which will eventually run dry unless I turn the stop cock back on?

Bending the rod and ball cock up and securing it is going to be difficult as the plastered ceiling comes down at an angle over it about a foot above the top.

Ive taken some photos of the cupboard and the inside of the tank by leaning in with the camera. Its the first time ive seen inside. Jeeesaz! Its fecking digusting!

The tank is just above the immersion heater pictured below









Phoned four plumbers so far, no answer.


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