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I also cannot understand this - it seems like she must have been standing in the wrong place and the bullet missed the real target ( not surprising as for most of us, pistols are only of any use if the intended target is less than about 5m away ).

After that where the bullet goes is anyone's guess and what it hits virtually pure chance - in this case bad luck.

But like many I would be asking how come this weapon was still around ? IMO the mere presence of it would weaken the GFA markedly.....

At a time when the continued existence of it is questionable and also where the "no prosecution for atrocities" seems to be one sided. But , of course, the military are an easily identified target due to the inherent honesty within its members. Remember Marine A - prosecuted for murder, latterly commuted to manslaughter, for killing a critically injured terorrorist in Afghanistan. 😦

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I am very sad at this news and send my condolences to her family and the NI Community in general.

sad news indeed, thank you Geoff


Lessons to be learned?


Did these scum really surrender their weapons, or did they re-arm? I suspect re-arm, then there is no ballistic evidence to connect the weapon to past crimes, already exonerated.

no way of knowing if all arms were destroyed, I suspect not as at the time there was some in the IRA that disagreed with Theo decommissioning of weapons

Was it a random act by a rogue operator? Did he have the gun at home or was it 'supplied'? Where is it now - back in the 'armoury', deep in the countryside?

Unlikely weapon was at home as the intelligence services have a good idea who's involved therefore keeping weapons at home isn't the norm as searches are often done. Weapons are usually drawn from the quartermaster who is the only person who knows their location.


Why fire indiscrimately? Indicates the mindset of those who just hate the 'British', which in their mind includes the police who work for them. In the Troubles a lot of the killings and knee-cappings were targetted between the Republicans and the Loyalists, but the police and army were general targets.

the chance of hitting a policeman would be calculated at high by such mindsets.


I hope that this murder of an innocent journalist might cause some backlash even in the community from which this murderer came, but I will not hold my breath.

there will be lots of condemnation but the grip such individuals have within their communities should not be underestimated, they deal harshly with what they call touts and would include their family in their summary justice

If this riot is a celebration of the Easter Uprising, maybe they should try it in Dublin and see what reception they get there from the Garda.

it was obviously a set up to draw police in, highjack a vehicle and set it on fire, the fact that so many petrol bombs were to hand points to a pre planned attack. And yes the Garda have no love for these folk as they themselves have lost members to Republican terrorists.


I know these comments are coming from an 'outsider', so if those who live in the Province wish to correct me please do so.


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The only real hope we have seems to be the intelligent agencies usually have good inside knowledge of this group so hopefully the perpetrators can be brought to justice. But as has been said before, the terrorists only have to get lucky once, the forces for good need to be lucky every time.

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Thanks for those comments. It sounds as though I was not far from the mark.


Maybe I got quite a lot of insight from a friend who was a Major in the Royal Marines and in the SAS, and was for a period one of the 'long-haired weirdos'(as he described) undercover in NI.
If his cover had been blown he would have been a dead man. I am sure the police in general were not allowed to know who they were.


Sadly after he retired, after working for Control Risks and springing hostages in S. America(his operation was subject of a film) he bought a boat and was sailing round the world when he was lost at see in the S. Pacific - never found.



I just hope this was a one-off and that is not the start of worse, although your comments about being a set-up job means it does not auger well.


Two have been charged. I hope they are the culprits and not just set-up for publicity. As you say the security forces have their knowledge.


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I also cannot understand this - it seems like she must have been standing in the wrong place and the bullet missed the real target ( not surprising as for most of us, pistols are only of any use if the intended target is less than about 5m away ).

After that where the bullet goes is anyone's guess and what it hits virtually pure chance - in this case bad luck.

But like many I would be asking how come this weapon was still around ? IMO the mere presence of it would weaken the GFA markedly.....

At a time when the continued existence of it is questionable and also where the "no prosecution for atrocities" seems to be one sided. But , of course, the military are an easily identified target due to the inherent honesty within its members. Remember Marine A - prosecuted for murder, latterly commuted to manslaughter, for killing a critically injured terorrorist in Afghanistan. 😦
I don't think anyone in NI believes both sides decommissioned all their arms Dave.

You can be sure these people are actively attempting to acquire arms, just one example in the link below, ironically he was a Royal Marine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-40774233

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I was watching that chap from Eastenders in a program about armed police, he interviewed and an arms dealer and he sells 100 guns per week and he's just one of these low lifes, I'm sure he said some cam in via Ireland.
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I just got a news report on my phone, they think it's the start of a new kind of terrorism.
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That's fascinating. Care to elaborate?

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I just got a news report on my phone, they think it's the start of a new kind of terrorism.
I think what you're referring to should be, 'a new breed of terrorists' not a new kind of terrorism.

In effect it is young folk born after the GFA, they therefore don't have the excuse of the injustices the original terrorists would have used to justify their terror campaign. This 'new breed' grew up in a relatively peaceful time.

http://news.sky.com/story/lyra-mckee...rists-11699070

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Two have been charged. I hope they are the culprits and not just set-up for publicity...........


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Sadly you may have been right Geoff, it's not an uncommon occurrence either ?

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