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post #11 of 36 (permalink) Old 01-08-2017, 20:00
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From what i have been reading about CP or camping tyres is that they have been produced because owners overload their campers beyond the rating of the tyre ( and the payload of the camper) & may been introduced as a result of accident analysis

So in effect a CP tyre at say 108 rating is actually rated to carry a higher load but it wont say that anywhere , As long as you have the correct load and speed rating on your tyres and dont overload the tyres then this all should be ok


Interestingly a 10ply cannot be called a CP tyre yet it would have a higher load rating than a 8ply CP tyre !

( sorry Penguin I can not be convinced about the French ruling that you have mentioned regarding CP tyres - though i wouldnt want to argue with a Gendarme over the issue)
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we do leave it for a long period and then treat the poor thing badly.......... i have taken pics and the garage has since rung to say we can try to claim.
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hi

i would contact there technical department about the cracks

i got 75% back on mine at 5 years old mine also started with a c

purchased new tyres and had them sent back under warranty

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sorry Penguin I can not be convinced about the French ruling that you have mentioned regarding CP tyres - though i wouldnt want to argue with a Gendarme over the issue
If you read my post again, you will quickly discover that your level of being convinced is not in consideration of my opinion but comes from the Technical Dept. of Dunlop and Goodyear tyres...........

Such a thought process from the average Gendarme would not surprise me since Napoleonic Law gives permission to DO something, unlike UK Law which stops you doing it......

If the Gendarmes wanted to be awkward or felt that the person they were talking to was being argumentative or stroppy then such a course of action would come as little surprise. And it's that point about how you would hold a discussion with a Gendarme if needed that is the crucial point.

BUT, AFAIK if a vehicle is legal in it's country of registration then it is legally allowed to be used in other members of the EU (while we remain a member) without necessarily fulfiling all of the requirements for that country, so a UK registered MH is unlikely to be pulled up and it is VERY unlikely that you would be expected to have such a discussion with a Gendarme.

We however, are registered in France on our MH, not the UK so we have to comply with the French interpretation of the EU Laws and if our CT station points out that we are not allowed to have van tyres or tyres of different manufacturers on the same axle, I am not in a position to argue and would not want to.

Arguing is unlikely to achieve a good outcome, so why try? Simply comply with using tyres marked CP, as our MH was orginally supplied with. I do agree that the situation as regards 10 ply tyres seems odd to say the least, maybe there is something else that dictates that outcome, or maybe the main manufacturers have simply not requested a CP rating.

I can confirm that Michelin Agilis CP marked are readily available in France, for our MH (215/75 R16 Q) they are around 143€ if two are bought at the same time - such a pricing arragement is simply to increase the likelihood of both wheels on one axle having identical tyres, the individual price is around 160€.

I have a choice of stockists locally and can have them delivered from the internet by the following day to a garage of our choice, or they will fit them at home, fitting is extra and avaerages around 16€ per tyre incluing balancing.

I am not sure how that price compares with UK prices, perhaps someone can advise us.......

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Black circles quote £140 for your size of tyre by Michelin Aglis. So it may be that convenience of availability trumps price difference, such as it is.

Thanks for your input penquin.

Sorry to deviate the topic.

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I am a little confused as to exactly how the French could make such a ruling in respect of tyres.

If the tyre manufacturer rates them for the same load and speed rating as CP tyres I cannot see how any legislation could be written to exclude them.

A tyre company rep is not a legal expert, I would want to see the relevant legislation myself!!

Also are the French authorities saying that every foreign MH that is NOT on CP tyres is breaking the law?

Another avenue for "Flic" to "Beat The Brits" with??

I suspect this is an urban myth, a bit like "if you knock a pheasant down you can't pick it up but the following vehicle can" (Which is 100% incorrect, if you knock it down you CAN pick it up)

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ok. im confused now.......... are you saying my front tyres have to match( like shoes) and if i kill anything i cant stop to eat it. good job im vegetarian.
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I am a little confused as to exactly how the French could make such a ruling in respect of tyres.

If the tyre manufacturer rates them for the same load and speed rating as CP tyres I cannot see how any legislation could be written to exclude them.

A tyre company rep is not a legal expert, I would want to see the relevant legislation myself!!

Also are the French authorities saying that every foreign MH that is NOT on CP tyres is breaking the law?

Another avenue for "Flic" to "Beat The Brits" with??

I suspect this is an urban myth, a bit like "if you knock a pheasant down you can't pick it up but the following vehicle can" (Which is 100% incorrect, if you knock it down you CAN pick it up)

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As I have said before, the Gendarmes are only likely to apply such a rulingto FRENCH REGISTERED vehicles, NOT UK, or German, or Italian or anyother EU regostered vehicle.

The French have shown repeatedly that they do not follow UK interpretations of the laws of THEIR land, only their own.

So to denouce a UK and International tyre specialist is not sesible. Perhaps it might be better to seek assurance from a French one......

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Thats my whole point, I would want to see the Legislation to confirm what you have been told by someone who is clearly an expert in tyres, (In your own words he was a "rep" not a technical expert)m but NOT a legal expert. I accept that they represent a company who do not produce CP tyres so have no hidden agenda but where exactly has he gleaned this information from??

As I have said if the Speed and Load rating are the same I cannot for the life of me see how anyone could say they are unsafe/illegal.

If you permanently import a UK registered MH into France do they insist that any (non CP) tyres are changed before granting the equivalent to our V5 ?? Perhaps someone who has imported one, or can ask at their local vehicle test centre, could confirm???

I am more than happy to stand corrected on this issue but I would want documentary (rather than word of mouth) PROOF.

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ok. im confused now.......... are you saying my front tyres have to match( like shoes)....
In this country I believe that it is not the law but considered as 'best practice'.

I think the gist of what the other guys are saying is that it is the law for French registered MH's but not the law across the EU generally. UK MH's are OK to travel in France with whatever arrangement is legal in the UK but who knows what will happen when we exit the EU (nothing I suspect).

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