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post #41 of 51 (permalink) Old 21-11-2016, 20:59
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I'm not going to dig out the official European Country rules on "winter tyres" again but if anyone cares too search then there is a lot of info in the similar exchanges we seem to have every year.

This from Blackcircles seems to be a fair summary.

http://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/wi...nd-legislation

I don't think there is much difference in resilience between socks and chains on snow or ice but I do know from personal experience that you can destroy chains very quickly in tarmac.

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I found this comparison between socks and chains

I have no experience of using either, on either of our vehicles; car or MH.

This is a Which! report on how they test snow socks;


This one shows the problems of trying to fit to rear wheel drive cars.....


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I must admit I was thinking of the Michelin hybrid ones that I'll buy next time.

This is of some interest:- http://www.snowchainsandsocks.co.uk/

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When we picked up a Hymer motorhome in Bavaria, some weeks ago, I was worried that we might not exit Germany before the frost arrived. The previous owner assured us that they had fitted " All weather tyres" and that there would not be a problem.
Having read much of this thread, I looked up the receipt for the fitted tyres:

Date of the receipt 13.09.2016

225/70R15 112S Pirelli Carrier All Season

When we looked this up on the Pirelli site, this indeed confirmed that these were tyres for all year use.
It would be a very brave German policeman in his green leather jacket to argue with a company like Pirelli.
So buying tyres for Summer and Winter use might be somewhat over the top.
Unfortunately, the PO only bought 4 tyres. Looking at the spare wheel, it's definitely not the same tyre.
More expense !
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It would be a very brave German policeman in his green leather jacket to argue with a company like Pirelli.
That depends on how the tyre is marked, if it does not have the required marking what Pirelli "say" is irrelevant.

The Pirelli site gives no information about sidewall marking and then goes on to say.......

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The new CARRIERô ALL SEASON completes the Van Family and is the right answer for not severe winter conditions without safety compromises.
.... Which does not bode well for satisfying a German policeman.
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We have this debate most years and the rules for places like Germany and Austria are that tyres must have the M+S markings with a requirement, if I remember correctly, of at least 4mm tread depth. If going into alpine areas you must also carry chains.

Full "winter tyres" are desirable but not compulsory.
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article...n-the-m-s-mark
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OK, being a thickie and to save me going back with a filleting knife to dissect each and every post for what it means and then check with all the other posts whether it is counter-manded by later posts, would anyone care to list in simple terms what IS LEGALLY required in order to;

a) drive on normal roads in Germany in the winter,

b) drive on roads where snow may or may not be expected in France in winter time,

c) drive on roads in areas where snow MAY be a problem but is not currently around.....

I hope that makes sense, although b) and c) may well be the same answer.....

Such an answer may well be of benefit to others on here who also do not fancy cross-referencing each and every post.....

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Is this any better?

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article...yres-in-europe
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That depends on how the tyre is marked, if it does not have the required marking what Pirelli "say" is irrelevant.

The Pirelli site gives no information about sidewall marking and then goes on to say.......



.... Which does not bode well for satisfying a German policeman.
But this site does. It states the tyres have both the M+S and mountain/snowflake markings
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But this site does. It states the tyres have both the M+S and mountain/snowflake markings
So it does - strange that Pirelli don't mention a main selling point like that and also insert the "not" in their text.

But they must have done in their press release.

http://www.tyrepress.com/2016/07/all...arrier-family/

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225/70R15 112S Pirelli Carrier All Season

The tyres I mentioned above do indeed have an M&S label followed by a snowflake.
I tried to take a picture, but all black and very small. I hope the German police have super eyesight....or perhaps you don't agree !
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