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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 21-09-2020, 09:24 Thread Starter
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Fiat engined Hymer B584

As there are only two of us having a six berth motorhome seems almost excessive, so we're looking at changing from our Transit based Trigano Challenger for a Fiat engined Hymer B584 since it's a three berth and a lot shorter!
The trouble is I know very little about this model and wondered if anyone knew of problems and drawbacks associated with it. I have to admit I prefer the saloon layout of the Hymer, it looks like it is designed for comfortable touring where the Challenger seems more suited to driving to point "B" and sleeping, not really set up for relaxing during the evenings or daytimes. OK, the Challenger is lovely to drive and surprisingly economical so if we don't change it's not the end of the world.
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I'm guessing your current van is Ford then?
Need a little more info on the Hymer you propose, what year is it ?
Throughout the years the engines changed a lot for Fiat.

Generally speaking the Sevel base vans are a good reliable base that the vast majority of motorhomes are built on.

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The Hymer is 2008, 2.5 turbo diesel fiat engine. 47 thousand miles
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Having had a short Hymer in the past (canít for the life of me recall the exact model, I think it was a B544) I can tell you that some are very marginal on the rear axle weight. (Mine had the kitchen across the rear) When the MH was totally empty there was just 50kg available before the rear axle would have been over itís plated weight. So be sure to get any prospective purchase weighed before parting with any money! That could save you a lot of grief.

I sold it!

We also found the dinette exceedingly uncomfortable, the seats were too upright

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Its not the destination that matters.

It's who you share the journey with (even if like me, itís in a caravan!)
I am very fortunate to have Mrs Plodd to share mine with

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The Hymer is 2008, 2.5 turbo diesel fiat engine. 47 thousand miles
2.5 turbo diesel ceased to be used in 2000 the most common engine after that would be the 2.8 first ones were manual injection after 2001 they were common rail.
A big facelift in 2006 saw the 2.3 multijet engine come into play, so the van you are looking at is most probably a 2.3, adequate performance for a van of the size you are looking at and easy to maintain.

There are other engines used both earlier and later than 2008 but for the van your looking at the 2.3 is most likely.

Engine accessibility is somewhat compromised by the small bonnet opening on this model.

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We had a Hymer B544 and toured all over Europe in it, even living in it for a couple of years. I agree with comments above. Ours was on a Peugeot 2,5 so can't help on the engine. Ours was excellent unless you had to do something when it was very awkward to work on.
You won't regret downsizing. There was nowhere that we couldn't go in ours. From city centre to tiny mountain village. It is the essence of motorhoming just meandering and stopping anywhere and anytime.
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This gets better, I questioned the garage selling the Hymer about the engine size not being compatible with the year and they insisted it was all correct and even emailed me a copy of the registration document. Sadly (for them) it clearly shows the vehicle was built in 1998, not 2008 so I have asked them to amend their advert and queried the price for a 22 year old vehicle at £24k.
Hmm, I await their reply with interest.............
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That was a fairly major error! Would you be interested at that age?

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OK, pause for laughter, they have now amended the advert to reflect the actual age, however, they must be having a laugh regarding the price - they still have it on at £24k. When I spoke to them about a trade in they were kind enough to offer me the grand sum of £9,000 for my 2004 Trigano Challenger 6 berth with low mileage and in excellent condition.
I have no doubt it would have been for sale on their forecourt the next day for around £30,000, now THAT'S what I call a profit margin.
I very much doubt I will be buying anything from them in the foreseeable future, I can import one to the Isle of Man for a lot less than that and could even do a bit of touring before bringing it home and still have change in my pocket.
Back to the drawing board, I refuse to pay that much for a 22 year old vehicle with all the attendant problems that might be waiting to be discovered.
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Not sure about the laws on the Island but would have thought that our Trading Standards would be interested in their practices had it happened on the mainland?
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