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fordnutz 12-04-2010 09:06

Engine Cuts Out on M25
 
Returning from a great weekend in Canterbury yesterday we had a scary moment in our Ford Transit Autosleeper (2004 Transit Mk 6 diesel / Durashift gearbox). At about 65 mph in the middle lane the engine cut out with no warning.

I managed to coast onto the hard shoulder, and tried to re-start the engine. Nothing.

Phoned RAC. The engine started no problem :oops:

RAC man checked over, found nothing and then followed us for about 20 miles. All was OK. We got home to Leicestershire with no more problems.

The RAC man had never had this problem before. HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS :?: I would like to sort it before it happens again.

DTPCHEMICALS 12-04-2010 09:20

Try this



Ford Transit MK6 engine problems (suspect fuel pump) - Used Car Forums 2 posts - Last post: 11 Sep 2005
Ford Transit MK6 engine problems (suspect fuel pump) Ask the mechanic. ... frist gear went into second and the engine cut out , it asnt started since. ... in the manual it says there is a automatic fuel cut off switch (it shows it ... Join Date: Sep 2005. Default diesel pump - 09-28-2005, 04:27 PM ...
http://www.usedcarmart.co.uk/forum/s...ead.php?t=5291 - Cached - Similar


Dave p




Marilyn 12-04-2010 09:30

It is possibly air in the fuel injection system.

We had this exact problem with our diesel car and we had to have the fuel tank pump replaced as it was not delivering fuel to the engine fuel pump reliably, and would only "work" if the tank was above half full. For some reason, this allowed air to get into the injection system which immediately cuts the engine.

When you restart, it's as if you've changed a fuel filter, and the automatic bleeding system gets rid of the air and the engine is happy.

It looks then as though you've imagined it!

Where the air comes from I'm not sure. If the fuel system is not being supplied under pressure from the fuel tank, I think it sucks it through and this may be what causes the air to be drawn in.

Hope this helps,
Peter (on Marilyn's computer)

p.s. If you look under the bonnet, the fuel delivery line is plastic and you may be able to see air bubbles in the line. This would give you a clear indication of the problem.

Edit to correct imaged to imagined!

sallytrafic 12-04-2010 09:48

I would be inclined to look (or have someone look) at the engine immobiliser system. The renault Megane or Scenic was susceptable to this and a switch off of the ignition switch and a switch on would always reset it. (don't attempt it whilst still coasting as you'll lock the steering midway through.)

emmbeedee 12-04-2010 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by sallytrafic
I would be inclined to look (or have someone look) at the engine immobiliser system. The renault Megane or Scenic was susceptable to this and a switch off of the ignition switch and a switch on would always reset it. (don't attempt it whilst still coasting as you'll lock the steering midway through.)

Frank, switching the ignition off & on whilst coasting willNOT cause the steering to lock. I have had to do this many, many times on my Alhambra. (long story). What causes the steering to lock is REMOVING the key. Just switching off will never cause the steering to lock, so just switch off & on again whilst coasting to reset the ECU.
This is a popular misconception which I believe adds to the problem of "runaway" vehicles where drivers are frightened to switch off the ignition for fear of locking the steering.

Fatalhud 12-04-2010 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmbeedee
Quote:

Originally Posted by sallytrafic
I would be inclined to look (or have someone look) at the engine immobiliser system. The renault Megane or Scenic was susceptable to this and a switch off of the ignition switch and a switch on would always reset it. (don't attempt it whilst still coasting as you'll lock the steering midway through.)

Frank, switching the ignition off & on whilst coasting willNOT cause the steering to lock. I have had to do this many, many times on my Alhambra. (long story). What causes the steering to lock is REMOVING the key. Just switching off will never cause the steering to lock, so just switch off & on again whilst coasting to reset the ECU.
This is a popular misconception which I believe adds to the problem of "runaway" vehicles where drivers are frightened to switch off the ignition for fear of locking the steering.

It may not lock the steering but it will effect the power steering which could be off putting to some if their not ready for it

Is it not possible for the RAC to check the fault codes in the engine management to narrow down the fault

Alan H

poppet1959 08-04-2011 04:31

Ford Autosleeper Amethyst help needed
 
We purchased our lovely Amethyst 9 weeks ago, we have only enjoyed one weekend in it since then. 6 weeks ago we were travelling along when it just cut out, got the AA out and they thought it was air in the system, got us going again. The following weekend it would not start, got the AA again , they couldn't get it going so they ttook it back to where we purchased it from, for the last 6 weeks it has been there, they have told us it's the fuel pump, then it was the relays, then it was the timing, now it's back to the fuel pump, it has also been to the Ford garage wh are now saying it is the fuel pump again. Up to now it is still not running and we still don't have out camper, we have had to cancel two weekends away and a trip to Ireland, we are due to go to the show at Peterborough next week bu it looks unlikely. We have asked to swap for a similar van but they want £3000 more for it. I don't know what to do as the dealer says that they only have a duty to fix the problem, as per the warranty, what can I do ....... ????

tony645 08-04-2011 07:46

If its the imobiliser there should be a little red dot light on the dash that comes on when you turn the ignition on, when you then turn the key to start will go off, if you turn the key to start position and the mileometre reading goes off and you just get flashing lines then its definitely the imobiliser giving trouble which operates by turning the fuel pump off.

peribro 08-04-2011 07:59

You can reject the vehicle as unfit for its purpose and demand a refund. You had only 3 weeks' use and the dealer has had the van for 6 weeks which is ample time to repair it. Have a look at this article here from Which. You need to move quickly on this and seek CAB advice if the dealer refuses your request.

rayc 08-04-2011 08:05

Re: Ford Autosleeper Amethyst help needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poppet1959
I don't know what to do as the dealer says that they only have a duty to fix the problem, as per the warranty, what can I do ....... ????

Tell him to fix it then. Who is the dealer? To talk about " only having a duty to fix the problem" when obviously they havn't is a bit cheeky.

bubble63 08-04-2011 10:48

hi
had a small merc doing this,
merc took ages to fix it, had a hire car for2 weeks,
good start is to interrogate the computer for stored events

mine turned out to be the injector pump/ unit.

they don't want to change some large things because of cost,
much cheaper to change probes, check wiring

why not lend a vehicle from them during the time you are without one.

do agree with not fit for purpose comment.

hope the nightmare ends soon

neill Cambridge

discusa 08-04-2011 10:48

We have a 2007 transit chassis and experienced the same problem. It turned out that it was a faulty earth lead on the battery. Once this was replaced it was fine and we have never had any problem since. When it happened to us we lost all electrics etc. but then everything would come back. We discovered that waggling the earth lead sorted it out so thats how we worked out the diagnosis. Hope that helps you.

Stanner 08-04-2011 10:59

Re: Ford Autosleeper Amethyst help needed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poppet1959
We purchased our lovely Amethyst 9 weeks ago, we have only enjoyed one weekend in it since then. 6 weeks ago we were travelling along when it just cut out, got the AA out and they thought it was air in the system, got us going again. The following weekend it would not start, got the AA again , they couldn't get it going so they ttook it back to where we purchased it from, for the last 6 weeks it has been there, they have told us it's the fuel pump, then it was the relays, then it was the timing, now it's back to the fuel pump, it has also been to the Ford garage wh are now saying it is the fuel pump again. Up to now it is still not running and we still don't have out camper, we have had to cancel two weekends away and a trip to Ireland, we are due to go to the show at Peterborough next week bu it looks unlikely. We have asked to swap for a similar van but they want £3000 more for it. I don't know what to do as the dealer says that they only have a duty to fix the problem, as per the warranty, what can I do ....... ????

Tell them they have 7 days (or whatever) to fix the fault and return the vehicle to you in a working condition or you will formally reject the vehicle as "not fit for purpose" and/or "not of merchantable quality" in accordance with your rights under the Sale of Goods Act.

http://www.oft.gov.uk/business-advic...e/forcustomers

DABurleigh 08-04-2011 11:14

This is the most compact and accurate advice I have ever seen on rejection. I often quote it:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/consumer-rights/

Giving the dealer 3 opportunities to fix, the 6 month rule, and following due process in you rejecting are all key. YOU have the upper hand in law; don't let the dealer out manoeuvre you, but keep civil at all times, and log everything.

Dave

poppet1959 09-04-2011 09:31

Thanks everyone, they have now agreed to loan us a motorhome until ours is fixed. We have issued the letter giving them 7 days to fix it or we choose a garage of our choice. They don't seem to be able to isolate the problem, they have taken it to Fords but because the problem is intermittent it seems to have the at a loss. Yesterday they were taking the petrol tank off!!!! Your advice has been really useful :D

Sonesta 09-04-2011 11:19

Hi Poppet,

Glad to hear you have been loaned a temp MH to use until your is fixed and although it's an inconvenience, at least you can enjoy life on the move again and attend Peterborough as planned.

We are in a similar position to you at the moment as our Fiat Comfortmatic developed a fault (long story which I've posted an account of in another thread) so I know how you feel and how soul destroying it is when you spend all that money on a motorhome and are then unable to enjoy it due to a problem that seems really difficult to pinpoint! That said, our dealer has been fantastic and very supportive and besides loaning us a brand new vehicle, we are having our 12 month MH replaced with a brand new 2011 one! It won't come off the production line until June/July though, so in the meantime, our dealers are swapping things like our Oyster satellite and our solar panel over to the temporary van so as to not inconvenience us too much.

Sounds like the Ford specialist who looked over your van, was as much in the dark as the Fiat one who was sent out to look at ours! In our case even the top Fiat specialist that came out out 3 times failed too correctly diagnose the problem and so Burstner have now decided to transport our MH back to Germany for a thorough investigation and health check over there!

We too are attending the Peterborough show (we're hoping to collect our temporary van on Weds) and it would be nice to meet up and share our experiences with you. I'll pm you my mobile number and if you fancy a chat then just give me a call.

Good luck and I hope you get everything sorted out to your satisfaction soon.

Sue

asprn 09-04-2011 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatalhud
It may not lock the steering but it will effect the power steering which could be off putting to some if their not ready for it

But if his engine has already cut out, he will already have no power steering and therefore turning the key to Off and then to start, will make no difference.

Dougie.

motormouth 09-04-2011 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppet1959
Thanks everyone, they have now agreed to loan us a motorhome until ours is fixed. We have issued the letter giving them 7 days to fix it or we choose a garage of our choice. :D

Don't under any circumstances, take it to another garage. As others have said, just give them 7 days to fix, or reject it as not fit for purpose and demand your money back, or a replacement, near identical MHome at no extra cost. As this will be almost impossible for them to source, just get your money back, plus any expenses you have incurred.

If you take it elsewhere, your case will be greatly weakened.

rosalan 09-04-2011 16:36

This is a sad case all round.
You losing your new van and I suspect some confidence in it.
Both garages who have been unable to locate an intermittant fault, who will certainly be losing money at this point but that is where my sympathy ends. Basically (sorry to use that cliche), all vehicle engines do work when all functioning components are in place and sound. The garage took your money with no doubt a hefty profit, now whatever needs replacing, even the whole engine or whatever, then they should do so. Good luck!
Alan

poppet1959 20-06-2011 12:30

Still ongoing
 
Well we finally got our camper back on the 11th June only to plan a weekend away on the 18th for it to cut out again, the AA returned us to the storgage unit and we phoned Leicester at Lazy Days to ask for our money back, he refused. We have started the process with trading standards and it is now 21 days since we sent the letter asking for repair or refund. They cannot find the intermittent fault, but that is not our fault, so not we are paying to store a van that is totally unusable until the case has been dealt with. Our summer and all out plans have been ruined. All I can say is don't buy anything from there

Benimar owner 13-06-2015 06:06

What was the final outcome

Bobmarley3 13-06-2015 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benimar owner (Post 1507370)
What was the final outcome

After 4 YEARS they've probably forgotten >:)


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