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Steering Rack, Cam belt etc etc

Hi,

Just taken my Knaus (built on a Renault Master) in for a service and MOT, and have been told that it needs:

- a new cam belt
- a new steering rack
- new rear discs and pads

Total: £2,250.

Is this normal on a 6 year-old vehicle that has only done 22,000 miles?

OK, cam belt is an 'advisory' - they tell me it is recommended after 6 years, and I'm not taking any chances with the brakes, but is it really necessary to replace the whole steering rack (cost £1,000)?

Back in my day you just changed the seals, but the bloke was adamant that it'd fail the MOT unless it was replaced.

Just wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences with a Renault Master-based vehicle?

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We have 06 Renault Master advisory was for ball joints last year having only done 13k. Took it to a different place an older chap been doing vehicles for years said no such thing needed and it was pristine now dine 19k.

Me thinks they are short of work lately and you need second opinion. I went to ALM at Sherburn in Elmet.

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Have been trying to find a recent thread where this sort of thing was discussed. The advice was to not get your MOT done where you get the rest of your work done - incase they are trying to generate work for themselves.

Sounds very surprising to need either the brake discs or sterring rack so soon!
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Re: Steering Rack, Cam belt etc etc

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Hi,

Just taken my Knaus (built on a Renault Master) in for a service and MOT, and have been told that it needs:

- a new cam belt
- a new steering rack
- new rear discs and pads

Total: £2,250.

Is this normal on a 6 year-old vehicle that has only done 22,000 miles?

OK, cam belt is an 'advisory' - they tell me it is recommended after 6 years, and I'm not taking any chances with the brakes, but is it really necessary to replace the whole steering rack (cost £1,000)?

Back in my day you just changed the seals, but the bloke was adamant that it'd fail the MOT unless it was replaced.

Just wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences with a Renault Master-based vehicle?

Morph.
The cam belt advisory is issued to cover them. It is up to the customer to confirm that the belt has been replaced in line with the manufacturers recommendations as during the smoke test the engine may reved up to full revs for up to 3 times. If he cannot then they cover themselves so that if it breaks during the smoke test there is no comeback on them.

Is it a main agent? My advise would be to take it elsewhere if in any doubt.
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I would double check that Renault suggest a cam belt change is due on your vehicle. If it was me I wouldnt hesitate. If the cam belt fails then you are looking at SERIOUS & EXPENSIVE (quite possibly terminal) engine damage.

Valves stay open, piston comes up at very high speed and hits said valve with considerable force, end result is a HUGE repair bill at best or a replacement engine at worst.

Thats why many manufacturers are returning to chain driven cams rather than belts. VERY few engines can survive a cam belt failure. (I know for only one and that was fitted in Mazda MX 5's)

As far as the brakes and steering rack are concerned I would echo others and say just one thing

Second opinion required!!
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Brake problems are a bit more understandable in view of the low mileage. Rust builds up on the disk when the van is parked up for long periods. Lazy van syndrome I'm afraid!
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For the cambelt I suggest you get one of these kits and find a good independant garage who is familiar with the job.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Ma...-/230671574998
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Unfortunately Cam belts have to be changed at the time or mileage interval whatever comes first. Failure is very expensive.

You need more info on the brakes. What was the issue?
Are the discs worn to excess (beyond the reccomended thickness)
Smae with the pads are they worn below the limit?
My guess would be rust hads built up on the outer edge and is touching the pads. Thi is easily removed with a gentle tap with a hammer.

As for the steering rack. Is it visibly loosing/leaking oil?
Are the outside ball joints loose and worn (unlikely)? My understanding is that the inner joints and the actual rack aren't covered in the MOT specifically but lots of tesing centers "include" items not strickly covered as a work generation exercise.

Our people carrier had an MOT Advisory for a stearing rack and that was 3 years and over 30,000 miles ago and it's passed at every MOT since.

Alwasy have the MOT done at a place that doesn't do repairs!
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probaly £500 tops , p**s takers . i hate main dealers !
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I've a renault 2.5 on a 2007 plate.

Recently I've enquired and will be having the timing belt replaced.

I've been quoted £270 from a genuine Renault Trucks dealer.
Renault car dealer 'roughly' quoted £800.

Both these costs are 'proper' Renault parts.

Haven't had any other bother, so can't comment on your other bits.

Thomson Commercials came recommended from another forum member, when I talked to my local branch they seemed very helpful... I will be taking mine there.

Thomson Commercials

Let us know how you get one.

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