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Here's an 08 616 Vario with the 156hp engine:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191698036832

No side loading door either.

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Here's an 08 616 Vario with the 156hp engine:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191698036832

No side loading door either.

Peter


Thanks Peter, nice van although half the mileage it is double the price of the Iveco for same year.


I can see why you are building your own, you get what you want that way.


I know the Mercs 90's engines 4.25's are bullet proof are these 2008 ones the same technology?


I wanted to get away from the Sprinter 2.7.


Whatever the next van I,m sure it will be van conversion. A class hard to access, in fact impossible to get to the engines, Windscreens a fortune, in fact everything is a fortune.
I want to just take it anywhere for work, bodywork, windscreens, no leaks or seams on the roof or sides.


The problem with most van conversions is that they are ten a penny all the same, loft insulation or rockwool stuffed into the sides/roof, underslung tanks, unwinterised, water pipes underneath. Winterisation consists of power hungry 12v bloody heaters. Have looked at loads and they do nothing for me.


Have been to loads of companies and they are basically the same.


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The OM904LA engine started at 136bhp and finished up around 170bhp with the Bluetec range, still in production.

This range is a complete break from the previous engine ranges, three valves per cylinder, unit injector pumps with ECU control, gears for all timing drives, including compressor/vacuum pump and power steering pump.

Turbocharged and intercooled, they make them in 4 and 6 cylinder versions, as truck engines in the Atego trucks and they sell them as industrial power units to plant equipment makers.

The Vario comes as a 5990kg or 7500kg version.

I'd say that the mileage accounts for some of the difference in price, but the Mercedes were a premium priced product.

Although the engine has an ECU, there is not as much electronics as other vehicles.

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I have to say Peter that's not a cheap buy - but it looks pretty tidy from the pictures and looks as if it would make a brilliant and straightforward conversion.
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Having just looked at Peters suggestion (looks good)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191698036832?rmvSB=true
I can't understand why there is 20% VAT to be added to the price.
I always understood that on used vehicles, VAT was only applicable on any profit.
eg, if you sell a vehicle for say £11000 and it cost say £10000, then the vat would be on the difference, between cost and sale price.
Therefore £1000 profit and VAT at 20% would be £200
What am I missing?
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it will have been owned by a VAT-registered company who claimed all the VAT back as input tax when bought new, therefore no VAT has ever been paid. So on eventual sale to a non-VAT-registered person or business, VAT is payable on the full secondhand value.

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it will have been owned by a VAT-registered company who claimed all the VAT back as input tax when bought new, therefore no VAT has ever been paid. So on eventual sale to a non-VAT-registered person or business, VAT is payable on the full secondhand value.
Thanks for the info, it now makes it expensive
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I'd buy it if I had the money, it's a late model with all the enhancements that came over the 9 years since mine was built.

VAT is a pain in the posterior, but it's a fact of life so live with it.

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Plus one for that, it's all been done before and plenty of others to look at for ideas, I used to drive an Iveco and while nice to drive it did get through diesel like it was free.

Also it might pay you to look at smaller engines, bigger isn't necessarily better, (they're also heavier and sue more go juice) I was used to the 2.8jtd engine in the Laika so was a bit put off by the 2.2 engine in the Citroen Relay I converted, but two minutes behind the wheel confirmed it was more than up to the job, it played with Bealach na Ba

The L4H3 (length 4 Height 3) is more difficult to find but if you're below 5'10'' the H2 is fine for most peeps, also less buffeting and more payload.

I'd look for van with not much more than 100k on, ours was 120k and fine.

Take a look at these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-61-PE...EAAOSwlV9WQ97J

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-60-FI...wAAOSwYshUZN6A

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-60-CI...UAAOSwfZ1WXkJC

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Re...AAAOSwys5WWJsp


Plenty more out there, look on AutoTrader too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzZP2FdiXs

A more leisurely drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJti8uViQi4



We did those roads to Applecross this September Kev,


What a great week, it was like Barbados the weather was so hot.


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