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Advice on tolls round Le Mans

I'll be travelling from Falaise to Château Renault tomorrow using, preferably, non-toll routes.

However, I've a feeling that I might be better to accept a toll road around Le Mans. Can anyone advise? The toll route says 2hr30 and the non-toll 3hr40. I'm happy to tootle down country main roads, not so happy if that extra time will be spent on city traffic jams.

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It's a while since I visited Le Mans Jean but as I remember the tolls stopped before the city and started again after. Can you see where the booths are on the paper map? Bordeaux is the same.

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Can't answer specifically Jean but as well as congestion extra time on sat navigation can be down to speed limits. And, though probably not in this case, toll bridges/tunnels. Is there a big difference in mileage? I say as someone who went the wrong way around the M25 (an extra 60miles) to avoid fhe Dartford crossing because I had set TOMTOM to no tolls!
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I'll be travelling from Falaise to Château Renault tomorrow using, preferably, non-toll routes.

However, I've a feeling that I might be better to accept a toll road around Le Mans. Can anyone advise? The toll route says 2hr30 and the non-toll 3hr40. I'm happy to tootle down country main roads, not so happy if that extra time will be spent on city traffic jams.
When we head south from a stop at Falaise we use non tolls and then use the D338 dual carriageway anti-clockwise around the worst of Le Mans, depending on time of day the traffic usually keeps moving, the section adjacent to the tram lines can get a bit slow but it has never been static. Although there is a route for articulated traffic that’s easier, I only found it by accident though so can’t explain how i did it. I still recall my first incredulous feeling as we motored down the Mulsanne straight that the 24hr race uses.

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I have spent many an hour in traffic forced to go through towns and cities when working, now I am no longer on a time crunch I enjoy it as I have the time to look at the architecture in old towns.
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This may not have much relevance to jiwawa's question but could I post my thoughts on 'Normal' roads versus Toll roads ?

Just a personal view on French Toll Motorways and 'normal' French road.

We use the Toll roads at the start and end of the holiday to get us further into France at speed and our early destinations and we don't mind paying the price for the time it saves against using 'normal' roads.

And then we meander around from Motorhome Aire to Aire on normal roads for much of the holiday

But normal roads - many very good and relatively traffic free - in my opinion can be a pain in the butt.

There seem to be Villages every few miles with their chicanes, speed bumps slow you down to around 20 mph and rattle everything in your vehicle and its chassis and many 'Passages' (pedestrian crossings marked by white 'blocks' across the road) in each village and town that have to be keenly watched.

Stopping for pedestrians on Passages is considered mandatory and watching out for pedestrians who suddenly walk across without prior warning can be an art in itself.

Town ring roads usually have many roundabouts, constantly slowing down and speeding up, every few hundred yards and if you have to go near Centre Ville you meet slow moving traffic, long delays at traffic lights and parked traffic difficult to manoeuvre around in the narrower roads with a Motorhome and/or Caravan.

Cities have a multitude of roundabouts and traffic lights, signs that point in your direction - and then aren't available or visible when you really, really need them at T-junctions.

And don't get me started on Cyclists (as many as 50 at a time) out for a ride who are almost impossible to pass as they serenely block your path.

'Route Barrée' signs that can send you literally miles out of your way on unfamiliar narrow roads that your SatNav would tell you to avoid – but it's very difficult to avoid them when following the 'Déviation' signs.

The new top speed of 50 mph (80 km/h) on rural roads in France on a straight, flat and traffic free road can be as boring as is possible and we often yearn for a bit of welly on the pedal - which is possible on the Motorways.

Yes, France has a lot of places to see when off the Motorways - but after the 30th or 40th roundabout and 20th speed bump, constant speed changes from 80 to 70 to 50 to 30 and back again it gets a bit tiresome and irritating when you feel you could be much further on and less tired by using a few miles of Motorway – albeit at a cost.

Using Motorways constantly makes no financial sense but those who believe that normal roads are the ideal solution must have more patience than I have.

Having said all that – driving in France is considerably more pleasurable than driving in the UK.

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Doesn't sound very enjoyable at all to me Keith.
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Doesn't sound very enjoyable at all to me Keith.
When we are 'into' France the daily move to a different Aire is usually only a few miles so it's no real problem and we do see villages and sights you'd never see on a Motorway.

It's the longer journey over bigger distances that becomes a pain - whether in France or the UK.

It's probably my age, in younger days a trip from Derbyshire to Cornwall with hardly a stop has been no problem, but a couple of hours on the road now is getting to be my limit.

The last time we were in France, actually two years to the day, I was clocked speeding at 86 km/h in a 80 km/h area - a flat straight road that changed from 80 km/h to 90 km/h every few kilometres as a three lane road alternating to two lanes or one lane in each direction.

I never thought that I'd become a 'boy racer' at my time of life - but, hey ho, it's a cross I'll have to bear .........


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Jean you can see any toll booths via Google Maps.....................

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search....00611!5m1!1e1

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From memory, no tolls apply through Le Mans centre , big by pass roads , tunnels etc, still pretty congested but easy driving.
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