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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-04-2015, 20:58 Thread Starter
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iOS there anyone here that tows with a svs a frame and what do u think about them.would they be alright in France,not one with auto reverse.
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Suggest you carry out a site search. (A Frames or A Frames France) You will find many many hours of informative accurate posts and possibly as many ill informed inaccurate posts.
Happy reading

To start you off
https://forums.motorhomefacts.com/114...rame-regs.html

https://forums.motorhomefacts.com/20-...es-france.html

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I have a good Car-A-Tow folding frame with electrics for sale in France. €250.

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Do you know the exact situation on A frames in France, we bought a Unibrake system, with the assurance that it was legal in all eu countries, but a letter from an MEP we contacted said otherwise. As it transpires we have good electric bikes and do not intend to tow abroad. Only in England. Wendy
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Do you know the exact situation on A frames in France, we bought a Unibrake system, with the assurance that it was legal in all eu countries, but a letter from an MEP we contacted said otherwise. As it transpires we have good electric bikes and do not intend to tow abroad. Only in England. Wendy
I can't definately answer this Wendy.
I tow (towed), hundreds of other tow. Car-A-Tow have fitting agents in France.
There does seem to be numerous interpretations of the rules but so far no prosecutions for using one.
Only in Spain it seems the police are being difficult and interpreting towing on an 'A' frame contrary to their regs.

So ya pays yer money and takes yer choice.

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I understand that the German Police are likewise being "difficult" over A frames.

I have posted many in times in the past in respect of A frames and I do not propose to repeat myself other than to say that there is NO doubt that full car trailers are legal (and do not tend to attract the attention of the law enforcement people) all over Europe. The position in respect of A frames is not so clear cut.

I have suggested in the past that anyone contemplating purchasing an A frame gets a written undertaking from the manufacturer that their product is fully legal all over Europe and that they (the manufacturers) will pay any fine imposed in respect of illegality.

I am not aware of anyone having such a written undertaking. Ask yourself why

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I'm surprised you even mentioned this Andy.
Irrespective of 'A' frames I doubt if any manufacturer would give written undertakings that their product was totally within European laws.
Most manufacturers print pages of disclaimers that if not used in perfect laboratory conditions they will not be held responsible because some num nut got hold of their product and hurt someone.

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To answer the OP:

Would it be physically alright?
That depends upon your needs; ability to manoeuvre and reverse with it; to hook it up and unhook it, etc etc.

Would it be legally alright in France?
No. the use of A-frames for towing is illegal in France on any public road.

Would I get away with it?
At present very probably yes.
It's a technical offence and it appears that most Gendarmes are still either not boned up on this aspect of their road traffic law, or see it is a low priority.

What would happen if I was pulled over for using one there?
Probably either: a warning and an instruction to de-couple and only continue as the two separate road vehicles that they clearly are (is your wife happy and ready to spend the rest of your whole tour driving the car and following you around French roads?); or an on-the-spot fine plus the instruction to decouple and continue only as the two separate road vehicles.



As I understand it, the same is true in Italy (ie it's illegal to tow using an A-frame, but risk of being pulled is minute).
In Germany it is illegal and there seem to be quite a lot more reports now of people getting fined/ordered to decouple recently.
In Spain and Portugal it's illegal and there is nowadays a very much higher chance of getting fined/ordered to decouple there.....as towing one vehicle with another via any means (including A-frame) had always been completely illegal there (it's regarded as quite a serious road traffic offence.
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I have posted many in times in the past in respect of A frames and I do not propose to repeat myself other than to say that there is NO doubt that full car trailers are legal (and do not tend to attract the attention of the law enforcement people) all over Europe.
Subject to maximum towing restrictions of the motorhome/tow bar of course.

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